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Public Accounts Committee: Kildare and Wicklow Education and Training Board: Financial Statements 2015 (21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: More than frustrating. It is frustrating but not good enough that it has taken so long. I am not even talking about the old VEC, just this one. I will leave it at that. I thank the witnesses for attending. It is a difficult kind of meeting when there is a report that has gone to the Garda but I am satisfied the meeting was conducted properly. Nothing was said there that could compromise...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are dealing with matters relating to housing, planning and local government in respect of Vote 34 of the Appropriation Accounts. Before we proceed I wish to make one remark about our work programme. The Secretary General of the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform had written to us saying he was available for 7 March. We confirmed this morning that he will attend the meeting on...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Dr. Rhodes. I call Dr. McManus to give the opening statement on behalf of the Irish Council for Social Housing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I thank Dr. McManus. I call Deputy Cullinane.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: For the people watching, will Mr. Hannigan explain what he means by the "P and A agreement"?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Hannigan explain what it is?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Which organisation have they signed up with?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: With the regulatory committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: So there are 260 organisations. How many of the organisations have signed up with the regulatory committee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: How many bodies have signed up with the other organisation? That is where I am getting confused.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Are most of the people who have signed up with Dr. McManus's organisation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Can Ms Lyons go through those again? She mentioned €1.9 billion.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: That figure refers to assets. The question was about debts, but Ms Rhodes threw in the assets figure.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: One of the our guests has a commitment and is obliged to leave. The rest of are okay to remain a little longer. They should feel free to go. We were late starting and we understand they might need to leave.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I apologise for the late start because it threw out the schedule. I hope approved housing bodies interim regulatory committee will be a full regulated body one of these days. I call Deputy Catherine Murphy.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: Did we get a copy of the annual report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have it in front of me.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 34 - Housing, Planning and Local Government
(21 Feb 2019)

Seán Fleming: I want to put a few questions to follow through on a few points that were made. Deputy Connolly touched on it earlier that decades ago all of the public housing was provided by local authorities. What is the need for the AHBs? Why are the local authorities not doing it? Why are the AHBs here and why do they exist?

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