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Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: To be fair to gardaĆ­, they are using their private phones all the time. Without them, they would be lost.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: I have one more question on overtime. When it is dealt with, I will move on to a couple of questions on appropriation. The questions jump around a little. Garda sergeants and inspectors are covered. What was the position pro rata in 2017, in particular? At higher ranks, there were serious scheduled workloads because of the year that was in it. Pro rata, how was this dealt with as regards...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is fixed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: One has to remember that while we are talking, the public is watching. Above the rank of inspector, there is no overtime and there are no extra costs.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: Perfect. It was a very simple question. To refresh, multi-annual budgets, IT and civilianisation are critical to the issues we just spoke about. Let me deal with a few other issues. In the appropriation accounts, there are capital commitments issues concerning Galway and Kevin Street. There seems to be a pattern as regards what happened in respect of both. Could that be explained?...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: Does Mr. Nugent believe it should be different?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Nugent might remind people of his view.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: The organisation is dependent on the OPW.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: I ask the Commissioner to comment.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: I presume the Commissioner agrees with Mr. Nugent that the he is half in charge of this but not in charge of it. Would he prefer if he were doing everything?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: I have a few short questions. On risk management, since coming to office has the Commissioner updated the risk register?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: Has the Commissioner dialled up certain aspects?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: Has the Commissioner dialled up certain themes or aspects of it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: We have been around the houses with internal audit. Our Chairman is qualified in this area as the Commissioner will probably find out later. Has the internal audit function been resourced up? This committee made a strong recommendation for the appointment of appropriately qualified people.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: I want to tick that box now. A number of years ago we had to go through this in great detail.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is good to hear. Given the area I represent, people would expect me to raise the issue of Templemore. I see the Chairman smiling again. We know the recommendations have been largely implemented. Two have been partially implemented. Nineteen recommendations were made. One is the recommendation to implement all recommendations. We can park that; it is a rather unusual one. Is the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: I understand. Two recommendations are partially concluded. Let us call a spade a spade. These relate to land and community issues, including sport facilities. Templemore and the Garda College are synonymous. It is the centre of activity there and it is critical. I am a major supporter of it. I know it is taking time to deal with these issues, but I appreciate they have to be dealt...

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is 1,100 between-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: In effect Templemore is being used for the 600 but it is also being used for other aspects, including retraining.

Public Accounts Committee: 2017 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 20 - An Garda Síochána
Chapter 7 - Management of Overtime Expenditure in An Garda Síochána
(9 May 2019)

Alan Kelly: I say this as a local public representative. There is goodwill from the community. There are issues that need to be resolved. Obviously there are issues with the OPW. I have spoken to the Minister and he is looking at possible solutions which are hopefully close.

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