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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: We can follow up on that. Let us go to the next amendment. We can do a bit of business here. Does Deputy O'Rourke wish to comment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: We are not worried about the order. We will just take it that this is the second amendment IALPA is proposing.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: I will hand over to Deputy O'Rourke but first Mr. Cullen might give us an indication of the interaction his organisation has had with the Minister and the Department on this particular amendment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: The stakeholders forum.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: What we will do is proceed through the amendments. This is a substantive body of work. Will Mr. Cullen proceed with the third amendment he proposes?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: The Minister has said a stakeholder forum is to be established to foster the maintenance and improvement of aviation safety and support and the continued development of a positive aviation safety culture. Does that cover what the amendment proposes?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Are we in that space?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the difference? Mr. Evan believes the stakeholders forum, which the Minister is proposing, is a general forum, but he wants it to be a specific forum just for licence holders.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: If you define the membership of the forum-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes, but If the membership of the stakeholders forum is defined in legislation, would the rest of what has been proposed by the Minister work?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: I accept that, but it has come up as a basis for discussion. Can we move to the next amendment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is amendment No. 4. Mr. Cullen can also discuss amendment No. 5, which relates to section 32.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: I ask Mr. Cullen to outline the amendment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is the fixed penalty much higher?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Mr. Cullen therefore believes that within the current system, there are not penalties for what I will not call misdemeanours but for lesser infringements.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is there a precedent for this in any other jurisdictions?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: What has been the interaction of the IALPA with the Department and the Minister on this particular amendment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Can we move now to the final amendment. This will mean that members will have some substance to deal with because this goes to the heart of the matter. The association brought it up today but perhaps our guest speakers can elaborate on section 32 and the timeframe for members who were not here .

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Engagement with the Irish Air Line Pilots' Association (15 Feb 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: In what sense?

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