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Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: After 18 months-----

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: -----the board will be redundant. It is just to understand.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I will not have time to go into the minutiae of anything and the witnesses have given figures. Those figures are on the record, but when I look at them, it is less than €1 billion to build the hospital. The additional sum relates to the board, the design and consultants appointed. Is that fair? It is almost a 50:50 balance.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I understand.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Lovely. It would be helpful to get a breakdown of all of that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Many things have changed since then.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: On a rough estimate it seems to be nearly balanced. Maybe I am wrong. Maybe it is 60:40. I am looking at the administration costs, however, and the costs are rising all of the time. I understand inflation and the different reasons, but the board was set up and then there is an oversight body after that under the Department, which I have not even got to. Maybe at some stage we might get...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Mr. Gunning is lucky I am out of time.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: I thank the witnesses for staying. As regards the €2 million per month, is it Mr. Gunning's best estimate that it will be ongoing until the completion of the programme?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: That will no be longer necessary.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: As regards the board, is there a board functioning now for Children's Hospital Ireland?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: How many are on the board?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: How often are they meeting?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: What about the interaction between that and the National Paediatric Hospital Development Board? How often do they meet? What is the communication like there?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: What is the process?

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: ----- and Ms Nugent has no concerns about that.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Let us move on to the Department and the oversight. That was another level that was put in because, obviously, notwithstanding all of these processes and procedures, it has not worked, notwithstanding its best efforts. An oversight body was then set up. I am taking this from the time it was set up, in 2013, to date. How is that functioning? If I get a chance, I would love to come back to...

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Notwithstanding all of that architecture, there is no penalty for the builder when he or she does not deliver, as a result of a contract and difficulties that were identified way back in 2019 and before. The board is reporting to us that there is no penalty at all.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: If the developer delays and delays, he or she is paid anyway, eventually.

Public Accounts Committee: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board and Children's Health Ireland: Discussion (22 May 2025)

Catherine Connolly: Absolutely, but if the contractor delays and then does it six months later, he or she is paid. There is no penalty for the delay.

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