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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Can Mr. McCarthy briefly summarise Pobal's place in this jigsaw?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: The money comes to Mr. McCarthy's Department, then there is Pobal and the Department to which the money is being allocated. There is layer upon layer before it gets to the people in the community who need it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: "Complexity" is putting it mildly. It is not working.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Does Mr. McCarthy think the system is working?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: That is an understatement. It is not working and it is an absolute disgrace.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: The figure from 2012 to 2016 was €28 million, when people were crying out for the money. Some Departments failed in their duty. Demand was massive at that time.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: I know that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Is the Department working on how we can simplify this process? The figures Mr. McCarthy gives make it look even worse, because societal demands were increasing in the period to which he referred, that is, from 2011 onwards. There are three people in the Department working on it but can Mr. McCarthy give me any confidence that the money will be allocated better and that the red tape around...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: The Department is not implementing the legislation it has at the moment so I would not bother with that part of it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: What is the precise reason for the reduction of €200,000 in Pobal's administration fees?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: That does not mean anything to me.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: It was €750,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Leaving aside 2015, if one takes a look at a 14-year period, there seems to be significantly more than €200,000 per year to Pobal, so Mr. McCarthy has not answered my question. Pobal would have had not far off €1 million in some of those years.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: There is something desperately wrong there.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: What is driving that seesaw? How are we monitoring what Pobal is spending here? Why is it going up and down so much without any value getting to people on the ground?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: No, no. In terms of the checks and balance of the Department vis-à-visPobal, I merely want to know why is the budget doubling some years, drastically going down or going back up when I cannot see in the figures that activity on the ground, in terms of money going out to communities, is increasing. Why is that happening?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Has the Department a service level agreement with Pobal?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: A framework agreement. Would Mr. McCarthy expand on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: In terms of the moneys, is the Department responsible for paying Pobal that administration fee?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 7 - Dormant Accounts Fund
(8 Feb 2018)

Peter Burke: Is there a service level agreement between the Department and Pobal for that, in terms of how it is monitored and measured and in respect of the way in which activity is quantified?

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