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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is it this abatement that is spoken about?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Obviously we are casting no aspersions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: When Mr. Larkin was last here, I asked him about what we should spend on cybersecurity. The redacted report in the capacity review indicated that the numbers in the NCSC were increased from 25 to 41, with 28 more being recruited. Mr. Larkin said the spending should be the same per capitaas in the UK. It came out at about €50 million per annum. Does he still hold to that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Mr. Larkin says €50 million per annum and we are spending a fraction of that, at €8 million or €9 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: It would be roughly five times that. Is that what the UK is spending?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: So if we spent a pro rataamount, we would spend about €50 million per year. How many staff would that entail? Why is Mr. Larkin saying that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: If Mr. Larkin has a client whose operations involve critical national infrastructure, who does he phone?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Has the response been good?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Would Mr. Larkin accept that the State's cybersecurity activity is grossly underfunded?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Is Mr. Larkin talking about the public or private realms?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Why has cybersecurity moved front and centre now? Three to four years ago, this was not common parlance. It is now.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Since when?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is more lucrative to be in cybercriminality than in the drugs trade.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Are these mainstream insurance companies?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: What is the average amount paid out?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: How many cybersecurity breaches are settled with cash payments?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: What percentage of such breaches are settled in that fashion?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Two thirds of all cybersecurity breaches-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: Which is what happened with the HSE.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport: Cybersecurity and Hybrid Threats Following the Russian Invasion of Ukraine: Discussion (30 Mar 2022)

Kieran O'Donnell: It is prevalent, however, and the companies attacked are paying out.

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