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Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government, and Department of Finance (18 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: I want the issue of borrowing to be clarified once and for all. Last week Irish Water told the committee that the State can borrow cheaper than can Irish Water.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government, and Department of Finance (18 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: Can the State borrow cheaper than Irish Water?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government, and Department of Finance (18 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: Yes. Last week Irish Water told us it would save €5 million.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government, and Department of Finance (18 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: I want to discuss the fiscal rules. It has been suggested that we must meet these fiscal rules. I know that this is a policy matter, but it is a possibility that these rules could be breached by the Government, because they have been breached by other countries, and they are being breached by some other countries as we speak. On the other side of that, in his Budget Statement, the Minister...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government, and Department of Finance (18 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: Did I read that it might be in the region of 60%?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Department of Housing, Planning, Community and Local Government, and Department of Finance (18 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: Will Ms Graham get us the figure anyway? Thank you.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: I will first seek some basic information. It is my understanding that 58% of households have had meters installed and 42% have not had meters installed. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: What is the percentage of leakage through the network?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: The expert commission indicated that usage of water in Ireland is significantly lower than thought and lower than in other countries. The figures on daily usage were 125 litres per individual in Ireland, 146 litres per individual in Britain and 160 litres in North America. Are those figures in or around ballpark?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: It may be slightly higher than the European average but it is significantly less than usage in Britain and North America.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: That is correct. It is obviously a significant problem that only slightly more than 50% of households are metered. In the submission Irish Water has made to the committee, it is indicated that only about 3.35% of households use more than 800 litres of water. The submission further states that if leaks are excluded, the figure falls to 1.27% of households. It further states that other...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: Is it correct that the cost of collecting the excessive use charge is completely disproportionate to the potential revenue? It is stated in the submission that the excessive use charge will not generate a significant revenue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: In other words, capital would have to be diverted from other projects to allow metering to continue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: I wish to make a point. We have been given some very significant information by the CER that it has effectively recommended that the metering programme be stopped and that, if it is not, moneys will have to be found elsewhere or diverted from other purposes. In the circumstances, on the basis of the information we have received from the CER, it would be appropriate for the committee to make...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: Will Irish Water confirm that it has been?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: I seek confirmation. When was the progamme stopped?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: Exactly.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: Can I receive clarification?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: I have not. I was told the metering programme had been stopped. I am now being told it has not been stopped completely. Can we receive confirmation as to when it will be completed and when it will be stopped?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on the Future Funding of Domestic Water Services: Irish Water and Commission for Energy Regulation (12 Jan 2017)

Séamus Healy: No. When will Irish Water stop the metering programme?

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