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Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Am I correct in saying that is Mr. Flaherty?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Who appointed the HR director?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Okay. Was that after Mr. Flaherty took up his role?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: The HR director reports to Mr. Flaherty. I just cannot understand that the terms of reference had no input from the governing authority.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Did the governing authority sign off?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Why did it do so instead of the governing authority? Ms Harney has already said that, in fairness, Professor Mey took this very seriously and was aware of her deep regret over the fact that there was not a written evaluation, which she discovered subsequently. Why was there so little input in relation to the terms of reference then on which a report was sought?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Ms Harney has not seen them.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: So, we can see the terms of reference. My concern is basically that if the governing authority had no role in drafting the terms of reference, and the report has not been seen, I do not know how it could be a full review. I just do not know how we can allow a HR person to draw up terms of reference.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Was there a procurement process carried out to appoint one of the big four?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Was that fully compliant?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: In choosing KPMG, was there anything that would or should have been declared that would have interfered with the transparency of the process?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Is the chancellor currently a member of the board?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: It declared that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Did that not raise any red flag? Was Professor Mey still happy?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: I assume we will see all that correspondence. Could we see the procurement process documentation just to be sure? I am concerned because of the concerns of the Comptroller and Auditor General about procurement and one thing and another, so it would help to see the procurement process documentation and the declaration from KPMG on the chancellor's position. Let us move on to how we can...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: No. I did not ask Ms Harney yet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Can I get an answer to that first? We will then come to Ms Harney.

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: Was KPMG the lesser conflict?

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: I see it. As a member of the Committee of Public Accounts, I see it as a conflict of interest that Ms Harney is chancellor of the governing board of UL, which is investigating a matter relating to the cost of a site that was purchased and the whole governance that surrounds that, that happens to be carried out by KPMG in which Ms Harney is an interested party. Does she see any conflict...

Public Accounts Committee: 2020 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
University of Limerick Financial Report 2020
(12 May 2022)

Verona Murphy: That is fine. We have a difference of opinion.

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