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Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: The recent report from the European Court of Auditors published on 20 March raises a huge number of concerns about the value for money regarding PPPs. Of the three projects in Ireland, one would be termed a PPP but I am at a loss to understand the reason for that because it was not completed. "NA" is in all the boxes in the tabular format; they do not seem to reference it much. In terms of...

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: Yes, 20 March.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: It covered one, the N17-N18, but it was not completed in terms of some of the details-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: -----so they could not do a full assessment of it. However, if the State is in severe economic distress and it uses PPP as a model for off-balance sheet, there are significant risks for the State in terms of competition. We have seen a number of those that have not worked out as one would have envisaged.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: There is a more significant risk in one that is backed by a PPP.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: That judgment can be very difficult when we are talking about risk transfer and traffic guarantee payments. In terms of the M3 Clonee to Kells motorway or the Limerick tunnel and the potential huge risk to which the taxpayer is exposed, that is a huge challenge to meet.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: It is where it has a direct impact on the Exchequer on an annual basis. If we are talking about €1.2 billion in 2016 and €4.6 billion in 2017, that is a huge sum of money.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: Yes, but if doing it in an efficient manner has the potential to reduce our capacity to build more, we have to question it.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: It is our responsibility as elected representatives to get the best value for money. We cannot just take a blasé approach and say, "Who does not want to build a road?".

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: We are compensating them for that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: We are in those two cases.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: I want to be clear about that. I am aware of the payback for the private sector in terms of motorways. There is a concrete projection of traffic flow etc., but how does that work for schools?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: Resource constraints were cited as a reason the planned review into a pilot schools bundle was not carried out. What was the reason for that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: It was supposed to be about 2013.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: Has that gone to tender?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: When is the contract expected to be in place?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: What was the outcome of the criminal courts review? Does any of the witnesses have an answer on that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: Have any significant issues been flagged by the Comptroller and Auditor General?

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: We are back to zero.

Public Accounts Committee: 2016 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Chapter 4 - Overview of Public Private Partnerships
(22 Mar 2018)

Peter Burke: That is okay. It is important to get confidence behind these projects for the taxpayer and the Comptroller and Auditor General. It is not good enough that we are putting pressure on people at a meeting of the Committee of Public Accounts to publish post-project reviews that are already completed. We need to be in possession of this information to adjudicate on value for money.

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