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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. We discussed it here at our previous meeting: the costs of all-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, the tribunals and the commissions of inquiry.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. We had that information at the last or second last meeting. That was definitely published and is on our database. If the Deputy has any problems, she will be able to get it through the system here. We had a good discussion on that the last day.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: No. 2046B from Mr. Ray Mitchell relates to the Hannaway report on the national human resource division. The correspondence states:The Human Resources Division contacted Mr. Conor Hannaway who was involved in the process, and he has advised that the intervention was an organisation development initiative which resulted in a briefing (set of presentation slides, which were provided to the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is baffling. That is the letter from the regulation office and the Irish Council for Social Housing gives a staff figure of 4,600 and mentions almost 6,000 volunteers. Maybe the other letter should have referred to staffing, including volunteers. I do not know. It is not clear so we need clarification from both bodies. I do not follow the two letters. They seem to be saying different...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: The figure is 28,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Of which letter?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: What paragraph is that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: The number of units is 29,803. Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. How could there be 10,000 staff associated with that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: No.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: It could be that some of the homelessness organisations that do not have houses have a big complement of staff carrying out other work. We understand that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: What is worrying is that they do not seem to have a breakdown available, even to themselves, of their staffing. In that same paragraph, just before the chart, it is stated that the Irish Council for Social Housing does not have a breakdown available of the split between staff engaged in housing functions and those engaged in care and support services. They should have that. It is a big...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. It says that under the RTB, tenancies commencing before 24 December 2016 are four years in length. Are we saying people have only that much tenure?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: We need that clarified. When people get a social house from a local authority, they have it.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: The idea that these can come up every four or six years is way out from that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are going to write back to the Irish Council for Social Housing to clarify that remark in respect of the length of tenure.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (28 Mar 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, and to know how many have three, four, six or ten year leases. We know these bodies came under the RTB a couple of years ago. We understand that. However, we want to know about the housing bodies in their own right and what tenure they offer their tenants.

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