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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: Who of the three representatives has been in the Department the longest?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: I lost days of my life in this room a couple of years ago dealing with RTÉ in the Committee of Public Accounts. In the name of God, how did the Department responsible for RTÉ not let this committee, the Committee of Public Accounts or both know that there had been a loss beyond that incurred as a result of the toy show musical and the whole issue with a well-known RTÉ presenter?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: To be clear, RTÉ told NewERA about this. The accounts were not very transparent. Ms Quill is saying that it would be more transparent now. I get that. However, did no one in the Department ask what this was about.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: I understand that. I will get back to this. Putting NewERA between RTÉ and the Department is a problem. I have one very simple question. Did anybody in the Department know about this impairment relating to an IT project? Was anyone in the whole Department aware of this huge loss while we were sitting here talking about the toy show and Ryan Tubridy?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: It is very simple. I have to move on to other questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: Can I announce to the Irish public that the Department that was responsible for media had zero or no idea that there was an impairment of this amount in relation to this project, while we were sitting here in this room two years ago? Is that an accurate statement or not?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: No, sorry-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Ó Coigligh is basically saying that the information available to the Department was the same information available to the public. That is impossible. I lost days of my life here. I was not aware of it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: I am a TD and a member of the public. This is very important question for Mr. Ó Coigligh as the Secretary General and for all the officials. They should think about how they answer this because it is critically important to how we get this information. Was there an awareness in the Department of media regarding this impairment two years ago, while we were going through the other...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: You are not answering my question. Was there an awareness of this impairment? I will ask you again and if you do not answer the question, I will just say you are not going to answer the question and leave it at that. Was there an awareness within the Department?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: I respect Mr. Ó Coigligh was not the Secretary General. That is why his colleagues are here.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: You did not know it was an IT project.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: So the Department did know it was the ERP project. We are getting places.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: The Department was aware, two years ago, that there was an impairment relating to the ERP project that was larger than the total sums we were discussing at these committees, but nobody in the Department thought it was probably appropriate to make the committees aware of that issue.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: Why would they be very different today? How was the operation of the Department different two years ago from today?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: Can anyone answer? Were the RTÉ statements, of the director general and the chairperson, who is the chair of an independent board, given to the Department before this meeting? I also note that in a couple of the statements there are font changes. It looks like they were edited, basically. Were they given to the Department - I will not say for sign-off - before coming here today?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: Let us be straight up. I do not believe it is possible that nobody is sitting here who does not know. Were the statements given to the Department before the Secretary General came here?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: So the statements were sent to the Department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: There is the answer for the RTÉ chair and director general.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Arts, Media, Communications, Culture and Sport: Policy, Governance, Expenditure and Administration at RTÉ: Discussion (28 May 2025)

Alan Kelly: The fact is I noticed Mr. Ó Coigligh knew what the DG would say, so obviously-----

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