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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I apologise for interrupting, Senator Byrne, but there is a logistical difficulty to be resolved. I understand the Minister is scheduled to attend the Dáil Chamber at 7.30 p.m. Is there any flexibility in that regard?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I thank the Minister. Does he need to take a minute to arrange that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Does the Minister need to take a short break before continuing?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I appreciate the Minister's co-operation. We will try to wrap up as soon as possible after 7.30 p.m.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: That is very helpful. I assure members they will get their chance to ask questions. I invite Senator Byrne to proceed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: We need to move on.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Is the Senator saying that the Minister did not answer this question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: That is fair enough. I call Senator O'Keeffe.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: If Deputy Creighton is satisfied with the responses, I will ask the Secretary General a question on a point of clarification. In his view, has the Rits company the same level of experience in surveillance and counter-surveillance as Verrimus? If this is so, should the committee take heed of the analyses from both companies?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Is Mr. Purcell saying that the experience and expertise of this company is commensurate with that of Verrimus?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I thank Mr. Purcell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: That is an important question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Just to clarify, it has been widely reported that there has been a leak of the Verrimus report from GSOC. The Senator is asking about a report in the media yesterday which was almost identical to the Rits account that the Minister gave to the Dáil last night and today. What is the Minister's view?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Please allow the Minister to give his response.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Is the Minister confident there was no leak?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Yes, you have three questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: In respect of the peer review, did the Minister's Department advise him that Rits would have the same experience and technological expertise in respect of surveillance and counter-surveillance as Verrimus? Does he see both companies at the same level of competence and expertise? He is comparing like with like. It is an important clarification.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I am asking the Minister because he presented the evidence from Rits. I am asking the Minister and his Department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Would the Minister like one of his department officials to comment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Do you wish to clarify something, Deputy?

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