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Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: This is ridiculous.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: Absolutely.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I thank the Chair for his advice. I appreciate it. We will write to the DPC and travel a road in respect of this matter. When I first started asking these questions, my motivation related to the two-payment situation. I know of many good people who have served on boards and worked in other public service jobs who adhered to the non-second payment principle. That is fine – they...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: It reads: “As reported to the Public Accounts Committee in January 2019 and in May 2019, there are a number of exceptions that have always been”. That is the bit that gets me. I do not remember it. It states: "...always been outside of the approved budget, and for which there cannot be price certainty at this point, or for the duration of the project." There can be any price...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: The public deserves to know on an ongoing basis all of the costs related to this. We must remember when we spoke about this previously we were told the costs that were outlined, which had been signed off by the Government - and the Taoiseach put the figure in the public domain - were outside of issues such as fit-out and IT. A significant number of months ago I stated the project cost...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: First of all I think the clerk should forward this correspondence to the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health because there is an element of crossover here. Second, with regard to the section 38 and section 39 organisations, which I have been raising for over a year, this is complete and utter garbage. It is actually riddling the books. A number of these organisations are on the edge and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: It needs to take out the table and send it on to us.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is fair enough.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is actually not as big as that but-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I would say over €250,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: The list is not as big when one is dealing with the larger amounts.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is a fair point.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I support the previous comment. We should pass this information on to the relevant sectoral committee because it is interesting.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I also note, however, that I raised issues regarding the management of the process that deals with appeals from local authorities and the validity of that process. I refer to the process not being corrupted, and I mean that in a generic sense rather than any reference to individuals-----

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is important to ensure the process is not upset or corrupted because of the fact, as we have been told publicly, anonymous objections are getting through not just the local authority but An Bord Pleanála whereby somebody is objecting in somebody else's name and paying the fees involved but the person does not exist. What is startling is the fact that the chairman of the board said...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: Can we write and ask it about that?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: Yes.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: Perfect.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (7 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I thank the Chairman.

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