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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: I thank the representatives. They are very welcome. I begin with a number of potential amendments to the Bill to see whether Mr. O'Boyle and Mr. Dunne support them. They said in their opening statement that they would support a ban on vaping products for those aged under 18. Is that correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: I will come back to that in a second. Would they support a ban on flavoured e-cigarettes?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: Would they support extending tobacco advertising restrictions to e-cigarettes?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: Would they support an outright ban?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: Okay. That concerns me due to the public health element of this. I come at this through that lens-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: -----and ensuring we protect the health of all citizens but most especially children. I return to the issue of banning products for those aged under 18. In the current or past membership of VBI, are there or were there any representative bodies of organisations that sell tobacco products?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: Who are they?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: PJ Carroll?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: Okay. What about Blu?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: Is it a former member?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: What about IQOS?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: All of these sell tobacco products.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: Many of them marketed their products towards young children, especially in developing countries. Have the representatives done any research on that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: I know that but they were members of Mr. Dunne's body at one point or another.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: Mr. Dunne is telling us is he supports the ban for people aged under 18. I put it to him some of his members sell tobacco products and the international evidence shows they market those products, especially in developing countries, to young children.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: Does he support all advertising of vaping products that presents it as a quick aid for smokers? That is as opposed to what I have seen in some areas where there are sleek, outdoor, brightly-coloured premises. We will get to the flavouring as well, which some people see as having an added attraction for children and potentially encourage them to take up vaping. Do the VBI representatives...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: In that case, Mr. Dunne should encourage his members to do that because it is not happening. When he says it is a good thing, does he encourage them to do that, as a practice?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Public Health (Tobacco and Nicotine Inhaling Products) Bill: Discussion (Resumed) (1 Mar 2022)

David Cullinane: With respect, there is nothing stopping any of the organisations that sells these products from marketing them in a different way.

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