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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: Mr. Barry does not get to ask the questions. I do.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I know, but I am an elected Deputy and people talk to people who are Deputies. That is protected by the State, so it is inappropriate for Mr. Barry to even put a question like that to me. He might go ahead.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: They are not rumours. I do not deal in rumours. I gather information. That is my role in life - I am a Deputy.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I will make my final point on this matter, but I will speak again because I have a range of other topics to cover. According to PricewaterhouseCoopers, the uplift in design costs is 68%. Is that not correct?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: Yes. It is €27 million. Has that percentage changed since Mr. Barry took on his role? Is there an additional amount over the €27 million? Regarding the design stages, Mr. Barry stated that the design was 100% complete and six months ahead. I understand the design's phases and how they fall into one another, having read all of the reports. In fairness, they are graphed out...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: That was not one of my questions. I asked Mr. Barry whether he had any concern about the design. I also asked for the figure of the increase in design costs.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: Has Mr. Devine concerns about design changes?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I will ask further questions next time.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: My first question is a request for documentation to be supplied to the committee. Can we have all the NPHDB board minutes, unredacted and up to date, sent to the committee? On 3 April, the board met and the minutes state that a presentation was received by the finance and construction committee, from the design team, wherein it was reported that additional monetary risk had been identified...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: Are they the full, unredacted minutes of all subcommittees?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I respect commerciality, but there is always a nervousness about the scale of redaction when it extends to non-commercial legal issues and to sensitive issues that may apply in other areas. I have looked through all of the minutes and I can see a range of information is redacted way beyond what I would have expected. Will Mr. Barry have a fresh look at this, please, and supply them?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: And the other two?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: Who chairs the finance and construction committee?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: The presentation was received from the design team when it was reported that additional monetary risk had been identified on provisional funds. Is Mr. Barry saying that presentation will not be in any way suppliable?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: There is also the second document relating to the executive summary of cost report from the minutes on 29 April. Regarding cost claims, Mr. Barry said earlier they amounted to €1 million, which is fine, and he said that accounted for approximately 50% of claims to date - he can correct me if I am wrong as I am just working from the notes I wrote down earlier. While I am not an...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I want to know the percentage of those that are settled that relate to Connolly and not to the main site at all. Will Mr. Barry tabulate this and come back to us with the number of claims to date? I understand he cannot give us the total cost of claims. However, he can give us the volume that has been settled and then tell us which site they relate to. Is that okay? None of that is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: On the timelines, Mr. Barry said he expected the project to be pushed out, and that is not a big issue, given where we are at, to be fair to him. He expects that the main contractor can pull it back.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is not "he"; it is a company.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I agree with Mr. Barry. I have a lot of sympathy for this argument. On the construction side, trying to get people is a nightmare at the moment.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I accept that. In some cases, some of these people might have been misrepresented in the past, but that is just a generic issue and I am not getting into anyone or any company specifically. Have any critical milestones been missed since Mr. Barry took up his position? If so, has he documented them and told his board, or any of the four layers, including the Department and the Minister, in...

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