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Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: It could be many things. I agree with Senator Norris that the idea of a body corporate having feelings is far-fetched. The good name of every citizen requires to be upheld by the Constitution——

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: ——but companies are not citizens. I will reconsider the matter between now and Report Stage. It may be better to recast the section to state that a body corporate can only bring a defamation action in respect of a statement made where it has incurred, or is likely to incur, financial loss or where the statement was made with malice. A person could say something about a company or group...

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: I am concerned that leaving the Bill untouched in this regard would allow a large company to take an individual to court to prove slander or to use the legal process to punish or humiliate a person. I will, accordingly, take another look at it.

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: Senator Norris's tone and volume are in direct proportion to the lack of substance in the point he makes. On this occasion he was quite excitable talking about something which he fundamentally misunderstands. When Ireland is brought before the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, as the Senator knows, the purpose is to say an Irish law is inconsistent with the European Convention on...

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: If someone argues before the Supreme Court tomorrow that something is unconstitutional, and the Attorney General states it is constitutional and that we uphold the right of the Oireachtas to legislate in this fashion, he does not mean that he is binding the Government never to change the law. He is simply upholding the sovereignty of the Irish State and its institutions to have the law the...

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: He said it was a U-turn.

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: There is no U-turn in saying it is not inconsistent with the European Convention on Human Rights to have the law one way and then saying we are perfectly free to have it another way. There is a difference between something which is in contravention of the convention and something that is open to a decision, one way or another, by the Irish people having regard to the margin of appreciation....

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: It then goes back to the Supreme Court and because it is a court of law, it must in logic say it must be reversed. If it was wrong the first time it must be twice as wrong the second time. The case then goes for another jury to consider it. That brings the law into disrepute. This is not fanciful; we have seen it happen in recent months when a person appealed to the Supreme Court and was...

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: ——because that would be effectively conceding it was wrong to send it back on the first day.

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: The point is that if it was excessive on day one it cannot become reasonable on day two simply because a second jury has had another canter at it and has handed out damages, assuming the evidence is the same or roughly the same in both cases. There needs to be some sense in all this. It would be extraordinary if, for instance, Senator Norris wrote a food critique of some restaurant and a...

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: The point is that if the Supreme Court is entitled to find that the award is excessive it must at some stage make sense. By the way it is not directory in this case; it is not obliged to do it. However, it can in some cases. It has a choice to suggest the critique of that restaurant in that magazine could not have been worth €150,000 and to substitute that amount for the €500,000...

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: I will simply say there is absolutely no connection between on the one hand preserving the right of these Houses to make a decision on this issue and saying it is a matter for these Houses and not for Strasbourg to decide and on the other hand later deciding to amend the law within our own margin of appreciation under the Strasbourg convention.

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: The Senator should address the Chair.

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: This is getting very hopeful.

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: I have done a fair amount of libel law in my time and watched many other lawyers do much more than I ever did but I never heard of a case in which a secretary was sued for typing a letter. I have never even heard of a case in which there was a threat to sue a secretary for typing a letter. In respect of the definition of the term "secretary" there would be cases in which an employee,...

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: Most secretaries who write letters are, unless it is staring them in the face, totally unaware of whether they are defamatory. They assume that their employers are persons of honour and decency and would only put forward observations that are true or whatever. I simply do not believe that a court would award damages of a significant amount against a secretary. Similarly, neither the...

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: If all the Members of the Oireachtas were to have visited upon them all the letters sent out in their name and be subject to the consequences attaching thereto, there would be very few of us in the Houses.

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: I expect that further compliments shall flow in the course of the afternoon.

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: It is interesting that slander is not actionable without proof of special damage and except in certain cases. One of the latter instances is imputing dishonesty or criminality to a person, while another is imputing unchastity to a woman, a man or whomever. I am following the recommendations of the Law Reform Commission in merging the two torts. There is, however, a slight reluctance on my...

Seanad: Defamation Bill 2006: Committee Stage (20 Feb 2007)

Michael McDowell: Senator Jim Walsh referred to section 5(4). The purpose of this subsection is that if one says something to somebody that is directed towards him or her, it is not defamatory. If one's secretary heard one, in an unintended way — for example, through the office partition — making a defamatory remark about somebody, that should not, of itself, constitute publication. This is a peculiar...

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