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Seanad: Automatic Enrolment Retirement Savings System Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: Amendments Nos. 19, 26, 27, 51, 53, 64, and 66 to 70, inclusive, are related. Amendment No. 27 is a logical alternative to amendment No. 26. Amendments Nos. 19, 26, 27, 51, 53, 64, and 66 to 70, inclusive, may be discussed together by agreement. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Seanad: Automatic Enrolment Retirement Savings System Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: Amendments Nos. 20 to 25, inclusive, are related. Amendment No. 23 is a logical alternative to No. 22. Amendments Nos. 22 to 25, inclusive, may be discussed together by agreement. Is that agreed? Agreed.

Seanad: Automatic Enrolment Retirement Savings System Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: Amendment No. 21 in the names of Senators Sherlock, Hoey, Moynihan and Wall cannot be moved.

Seanad: Automatic Enrolment Retirement Savings System Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: Amendments Nos. 29, 50, 107, 109, 112 to 118, inclusive, 120, 121 and 128 are related and may be discussed together by agreement.

Seanad: Automatic Enrolment Retirement Savings System Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: Amendment No. 30 in the names of Senators Sherlock, Hoey, Moynihan and Wall is out of order because of a potential charge on the Revenue.

Seanad: Automatic Enrolment Retirement Savings System Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: Amendments Nos. 31 and 32 by Senator Higgins are out of order as there is a potential charge on the Revenue.

Seanad: Automatic Enrolment Retirement Savings System Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: Does the Minister wish to respond? I know there is a division in the Dáil.

Seanad: Automatic Enrolment Retirement Savings System Bill 2024: Committee and Remaining Stages (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: Is that agreed? Agreed.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: I thank the Cathaoirleach and Professor O'Sullivan and the team from the Department. I will play devil's advocate on this issue and touch base with the professor on the 46% of respondents who expressed concerns about the new draft legislation. For a long time the biggest concern with regard to home help was the lack of funding and then it became the lack of staffing. What evidence is there...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: Ms Larthwell's view is HIQA has been approached about complaints but does not have a role.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: With regard to licensing and revoking a licence, for example, if there was an issue with a certain provider under this legislation and that provider had 100 employees providing home care across a region and its licence was revoked, that home care would stop immediately, one would assume.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: For example, if the issue was with one employee who was not providing the level of care that would be required or sufficient, presumably the onus would be on the company to deal with that situation rather than removing the 100 employees which would have a huge, immediate impact on the people they are looking after.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: That is my concern if there was a sudden withdrawal of services when we have a staffing issue in terms of trying to find staff.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: Regarding licensing, Ms Larthwell stated that there are no data at the moment for how many providers there are nationwide. We know the main ones that advertise on national and social media. Can she guess how many providers there are?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: To clarify, without this Bill, if I wanted to establish a home care company in the morning, what is the process?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: I have no evidence of this. Are some individuals providing a small amount of home care to a small number of people? For example, someone is looking after Mary and Mary's family might say that the lady is very good and so Johnny next door employs her. Is some of that going on?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: To go back to the company that has 100 employees across a region, let us say it is providing what would be deemed to be quality care. If HIQA comes in, will there be an educational standard, such as certain Further Education and Training Awards Council, FETAC, qualifications? Will a certain cohort of people suddenly be deemed not to be acceptable to work as carers?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: General Scheme of the Health (Amendment) (Licensing of Professional Home Support Providers) Bill 2024 (19 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: People who are living alone with no immediate family get comfortable with their carers. A lot of intimate care is needed, so I assume people get used to their carers. Where the quality of care is excellent, as I am sure it is in most cases, there is no problem. However, if the quality of care is less than that, it creates an issue. Should carers be rotated so that there is not a single...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (13 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: The Order of Business is No. 1, motion re arrangements for the Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022, to be taken at conclusion of the Order of Business without debate; No. 2, Health (Assisted Human Reproduction) Bill 2022 - Second Stage, to be taken at 11.45 a.m. and to conclude after two hours if not previously concluded, with the time allocated to the opening remarks of the...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (13 Jun 2024)

Seán Kyne: I thank Senators for their contributions this morning. We started with Senator Malcolm Byrne, joined by Senator Eugene Murphy, congratulating the silver medallists in the European Athletics Championships on their great performance in setting a new Irish record time. They are Sophie Becker, Rhasidat Adeleke, Phil Healy and Sharlene Mawdsley. I congratulate them and am sure all Members of...

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