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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I thank Mr. Purcell.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: That is an important question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Just to clarify, it has been widely reported that there has been a leak of the Verrimus report from GSOC. The Senator is asking about a report in the media yesterday which was almost identical to the Rits account that the Minister gave to the Dáil last night and today. What is the Minister's view?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Please allow the Minister to give his response.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Is the Minister confident there was no leak?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Yes, you have three questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: In respect of the peer review, did the Minister's Department advise him that Rits would have the same experience and technological expertise in respect of surveillance and counter-surveillance as Verrimus? Does he see both companies at the same level of competence and expertise? He is comparing like with like. It is an important clarification.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I am asking the Minister because he presented the evidence from Rits. I am asking the Minister and his Department.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Would the Minister like one of his department officials to comment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Do you wish to clarify something, Deputy?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Deputy, has your question been answered?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Is there another question you need to answer?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Deputy, you have one final question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: Can the Deputy clarify his first question?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: That has been dealt with, so I am not opening up again. Thank you Deputy. I call on Deputy Creighton.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: May I just clarify. Has anyone advised the Minister that IMSI technology, no matter who would be utilising it, would be used only for surveillance reasons and that IMSI technology-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I shall ask again. In terms of IMSI technology, has anybody in the Minister's Department explained to him that if IMSI technology was detected that it can be utilised not just for UK 3G but other telephone networks? Would the Minister accept that if IMSI technology has been detected, regardless of whether it was Government standard, that it would be used for surveillance purposes? Is that...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: In terms of IMSI technology has the Minister been advised that IMSI technology would be used for any reason other than surveillance?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: I thank the Minister. That is fine. The next questioner is Deputy Halligan.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Public Service Oversight and Petitions: Security and Surveillance Issues: Minister for Justice and Equality (19 Feb 2014)

Pádraig Mac Lochlainn: "Next to zero" was the exact phraseology.

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