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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Business of Joint Committee (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am aware of what the Deputy is referring to, and I agree with him.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Business of Joint Committee (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is a good idea.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Business of Joint Committee (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I would like to clarify that we are talking about three groups. The first group comprises the patient representatives who were selected to be on the steering group as part of the RCOG review. That is one group. We know who they are. Obviously, they should be invited. They know the most about all of this because they are intricately involved in it. The second group is the 221+ umbrella...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Business of Joint Committee (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: If we are looking at a second meeting or a second phase of this process, I would love to hear Dr. Scally's view on the RCOG review after it has been published.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Business of Joint Committee (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am sure he has. We might be on the same page.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Business of Joint Committee (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I thank the committee for its indulgence.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Working Group on Access to Contraception: Discussion (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I will pass the floor to Senator Kelleher. I was not here earlier.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Working Group on Access to Contraception: Discussion (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: My questions have been covered. I share some concerns that Senator Kelleher eloquently outlined on what I expected from the report and what was actually in it. I encourage those present to bear in mind some of the comments from my colleagues but particular those of Senator Kelleher around those concerns. I had thought the report would focus in and be more proactive. Mr. Conlon might take...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I welcome the witnesses and I wish Mr. Gunning the best of luck in his new role. He has achieved one thing today. He has justified the use of these two big screens for the first time in my career. Listening to the witnesses over the past half an hour, one would wonder what we have all been worrying about since all this blew up. Based on what they have said it seems that everything is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: The report contains two categories, one of which is divided into two further subcategories. There are risks that can be controlled, and there are risks over which the board has some influence and risks over which the board has no control. Since Mr. Barry joined the board, have risks in either of the latter two subcategories been elevated beyond what was outlined in the report?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: That is clear. Was the loss of the chief procurement officer from the management team board a setback?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I appreciate that. I am not asking about the individual. I will restate my question in case Mr. Barry needs more time to answer it. Was the loss of the chief procurement officer of Ireland, who is based in the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform and is no longer on the board, a loss to the project?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I will ask the question a third time. I have not named the individual. Was the loss of the chief procurement officer, a significant position in the country, to the project, which is the largest in the country's history? I refer to the person's expertise, whoever he or she is, given that he or she was ultimately the person in charge of the project.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I am not asking Mr. Barry to address the qualities of any individual. Mr. Barry turned the question. I do not want him to address the quality of the individual, whom I do not know. Rather, I want him to address the loss of the role and all it brings. It has a role in the State and was put on the board for a specific purpose, but it is no longer on the board. It will be strange if Mr....

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I have now made four attempts. I note to the committee that Mr. Barry effectively refused to answer a question on the loss of the expertise of the role - not the individual - to the board. He effectively refused to state it was a loss. That is now public.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: Let us get this right. It was not a confrontational question. Trust me, I will have some such questions later and we are only starting. Mr. Barry has been around the block before Oireachtas committees for years and I have dealt with him on many occasions. I must acknowledge that he is good when he appears before committees and is clear and concise in his answers. I accept that the role...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is not helpful that guests appear before the committee and refuse to answer legitimate questions. I take it as a refusal to answer.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: I accept that, but the public are watching. I turn to the guaranteed maximum price, GMP. I know what it is, Mr. Barry knows what it is, and the public are now becoming familiar with the term. I listened to his responses to my colleagues earlier. According to pages 26 to 28, inclusive, of the PwC report, the GMP will be based on the design team's assertions with 95% cost certainty. Is...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: It is interesting that footnote 30 on page 28 states: Stage 2C Design commenced in July 2016. We note that as of the date of this report, the Stage 2C report has yet to be approved by NPHDB. Has it been approved since?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Update on Construction of National Children's Hospital: National Paediatric Hospital Development Board (27 Nov 2019)

Alan Kelly: When?

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