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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: There is scepticism in Ms Brennan's voice.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: There is confusion, however. For all their faults, strategic housing developments were not the cause of the judicial reviews. They were the cause of much public anger and angst in some respects but it was the conflicts between the SPPRs and the development plans that drove that to legal conflict. With the new round of county development plans having been filtered through the Office of the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: The rationale for the Bill is to clarify, consolidate and streamline the legislative underpinning of the work the witnesses do every day as professionals. I am not hearing in their commentary that they are convinced the Bill as it stands does those things. Is that fair?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: Is it fair to say that both organisations before us believe the Bill will require a level of change to the current text?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: It is the issue of resources.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: It is clear there are not enough people coming out of college to fill all the positions that are needed. Oonagh Buckley told us she would like to see the staff complement of the board increased by 100, rather than the figure of 59 or whatever it was that was put forward last year. The CCMA told us the 500-plus staff it identified as needed in the middle of last year was just to deal with...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: It would be like what was done recently in the context of the construction sector.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: Notwithstanding that, resourcing and delays in the board were a problem prior to the recent controversy. What that controversy and the board member changes Mr. Lawlor mentioned did was to accelerate that to another level, but there has been a historical under-resourcing there.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Further Revised)
Vote 23 - Electoral Commission (Further Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Further Revised)
(23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: I want to start with the home completion figures for last year. As the Minister knows, the CSO data are based on ESB connections and it has a pretty sophisticated methodology to try to clean those figures compared with the previous methodology used by the Department. The issue that has arisen is not about the integrity of the CSO but the difference between ESB connection data and completion...

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Further Revised)
Vote 23 - Electoral Commission (Further Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Further Revised)
(23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: Let me press the Minister on that, because my question is not about the integrity of the CSO. I was, in fact, one of the people who argued it should have this responsibility. However, the key point is the CSO agreed a methodology back in 2018, and one of the reasons it did not use completion certificates at that stage is we were still at an early stage of the BCMS and new home completions....

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Further Revised)
Vote 23 - Electoral Commission (Further Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Further Revised)
(23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: That is not the case. An independent commercial company has published an analysis. I am asking the Minister a question based on its analysis.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Further Revised)
Vote 23 - Electoral Commission (Further Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Further Revised)
(23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: It has no bone to pick with the Government’s targets.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Further Revised)
Vote 23 - Electoral Commission (Further Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Further Revised)
(23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: The data are public data from the building control-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: General Scheme of the Planning and Development Bill 2022: Discussion (Resumed) (23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: That will happen one way or another.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Further Revised)
Vote 23 - Electoral Commission (Further Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Further Revised)
(23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: In fairness, it is my time. To be clear, the data in question are publicly available to everybody. They are public data inputted onto the building control management system, run by the Local Government Management Association. The Minister is correct that it is a private company. I am not making representations on behalf of anybody. The company has done an analysis and has published it....

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Further Revised)
Vote 23 - Electoral Commission (Further Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Further Revised)
(23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: That is not the question. There are two sets-----

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Further Revised)
Vote 23 - Electoral Commission (Further Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Further Revised)
(23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: I know, but the Minister is deflecting from the question so I will ask it one more time. There are two sets of public data, namely, those based on ESB connections and those based on completion certificates. They are both public data. They are giving us two different figures. All I am asking is how the Minister explains the difference between those two figures.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Further Revised)
Vote 23 - Electoral Commission (Further Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Further Revised)
(23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: I have done that. The CSO cannot explain the difference. Surely the Minister wants to know the reason for the difference.

Select Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 16 - Tailte Éireann (Further Revised)
Vote 23 - Electoral Commission (Further Revised)
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage (Further Revised)
(23 Feb 2023)

Eoin Ó Broin: I am not disagreeing with the Minister. I am just asking him how he explains the difference.

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