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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: Some €27 million of the €39 million debt at the period end noted in the accounts is potentially outside the terms of what was directed.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: That is a significant amount.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: Do the witnesses have confidence in the collection process if that scale of debt-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: One could not have confidence in that system.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: Ms Denning does not have confidence in it. If the figures are as stark as the witnesses have outlined, it is clear that the system is not working.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: Some 72% of the debt is outside its terms.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: The Courts Service is tasked with collecting the debt.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: What value do those 10,000 summonses represent?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: There is €22 million------

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: What is the delay in collecting that €22 million that comprises the lion's share of the debt?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: Has the Courts Service escalated this issue to the Chief Justice, the highest level?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: This issue is at crisis level.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: This goes to the core of the administration of justice. If a court imposes a fine on a perpetrator but he or she does not pay his or her debt to society, the justice system is not working.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: It is more than a difficulty.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: The matter needs to be escalated further. I refer to page 130 of the report, which details poor box allocations for the year. The Law Reform Commission raised the possibility of reforming the poor box system more than a decade ago. Legislation in that regard was in train. In each of the local districts, a person who committed an offence goes into his or her local court and the money is...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: How is it managed? If a judge directs the payment of a sum to a worthy cause, does the Courts Service write a cheque to cover it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: Has the Courts Service raised any risk assessment issues in that regard?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: Mr. Mullan stated that the Courts Service internal audit is robust. Would it surprise him to learn that district 17 accounted for 25% of all poor box allocations directed in 2018?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: I understand that. I am asking how it is managed. How does the Courts Service escalate concerns regarding how money is issued or spent? I acknowledge it is a matter for the Judiciary to make a determination in that regard but in the context of how the Courts Service manages processes, it is obliged to raise any concerns it has regarding how the money is allocated.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 22: Courts Service
(14 Nov 2019)

Peter Burke: Tralee.

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