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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Okay. For the other 40%, how many go directly into employment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: It would be useful as well. On other data collection, do we have time series data in terms of measuring the correlation between those who have grinds and extra tuition beyond what is provided within the public system? Do we have a correlation between examination results and educational attainment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Is it available? I will explain why it is important. How are we supposed to address the inequalities that are here? I am very concerned about the widening inequality gap between those who can afford the grinds and the extra tuition, as opposed to those who are sitting the same examination but cannot afford any of that, and perhaps come from homes that are not conducive to them...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: For sure I would measure it, because my concern is about the commodification of education. Just in terms of the affordability, we need to measure it. It is something that we need to look at and we will take up with the Department again as well. We need to be able to measure the gap as it is widening and the effect of the initiatives, such as the DEIS that Mr. Slattery mentioned, which...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: It is not an easy thing to measure, but it would be really useful for us to do that in terms of the decision-making around it. I have a number of questions. One of the other things is that people are concerned about the timelines. We have done so much talking about leaving certificate reform. In regard to the 40% continuous assessment, regardless of whether that will be externally...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: You can see why people would be concerned. It is because we are living in such a fast-moving external environment none of us here really know what education delivery is going to look like internationally in ten or 15 years in terms of opportunities, the position in wider society and all of that. It is just more than a perception that it is very slow. I am not sufficiently familiar with the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: People need to see that. I welcome that but I have a number of other questions.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: That is eight out of 40.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: If we keep measuring that as we go along, then we will be able to see progress around those but out of those 40 subjects, half of them are languages. How many of the others would the SEC classify as being technical or vocational?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Yes, that is right.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Yes, if Ms Feeney could. My colleague, Deputy Ó Laoghaire, referred earlier to construction studies and what is needed there and the workforce that we need there. How hard is it then to roll out a practical subject such as construction studies?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Has any work been done in regard to aligning the assignment and releasing the results with the A-levels in the North through our work on the increasing cross-Border enrolment in further and higher education? We have repeatedly come across challenges in relation to the examinations, the grades and the timing of results. These have been substantial barriers and they have come across time and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: In terms of North-South, it is a real barrier there in terms of the timings of things being resolved. Has the SEC really examined that and how we can have an all-island approach to creating the opportunities across the island?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Is that something the SEC will look at again?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: That will be soon.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I will address the issue of critical thinking. I have looked at the Oxford report, cited in several areas around the assessment of higher order thinking, which recommended that the curriculum be narrowed. How can students do seven subjects in any depth, and allow time and space for critical thinking, when we are trying to assess so many subjects? How do we have more critical thinking and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Are the representatives satisfied that the marking system reflects the critical thinking that is necessary?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I wish all the students today who are doing their practical day in engineering the best of luck, including my own son who has his 19th birthday today as well. What a way to spend your birthday, doing the practical subject.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: Okay. Can Ms Feeney see an alignment of the results being released throughout the island in future?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Education and Skills: Leaving Certificate Reform: Discussion (Resumed) (26 Apr 2022)

Rose Conway-Walsh: I know.

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