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Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: A year and a half later.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Smyth said earlier it would have been useful if the Department had it. They were his words. The annual amount from the fund is discussed in the Estimates and such a report would be relevant. All I will say is the Committee of Public Accounts believes it was relevant and had a useful purpose. I take it Bord na gCon paid the full amount for the report-----

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: -----even though it was not happy with it. I query this. Was a presentation made to the board, apart from the workshop?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Right. Mr. Dollard can see I do not like it and what it is I am suggesting about the idea of two reports being done at the same time. Was the Department involved in drawing up the strategic plan? Was the Department involved in any of the workshops?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am speaking about the strategic plan that was being worked on in 2017.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: At any stage was anyone from the Department involved in any discussion before the draft was produced? The answer is "No". The first the Department knew was when it got the first draft. I find it confusing that these seemed to have been going on at the same time. For the record, will Mr. Dollard show me where the costs associated with the Preferred Results report and the strategic plan...

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: The others received €23,000 if Preferred Results received €130,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: That works itself is under consultancy costs. Where is that on page 28?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Will Mr. Dollard give us a breakdown of the rest of the €654,000? We like to know where things land in the accounts. When did Bord na gCon decide to do the Indecon report? This is the third report within a very short period of time.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: When was the tender process and when were the terms of reference drawn up?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: That report is due shortly.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Is there a fixed price for it?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is for the Indecon report.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is €130,000 for the Preferred Results report, possibly €23,000 for the strategic plan and €142,500 for Indecon. We are up to €300,000 for reports from 2017 to the beginning of 2019. That is great stuff. It is a lot of money. There are three reports involving external consultants on what Bord na gCon does next. Is this management by consultants? Does...

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: On the figures for 2018, which include the 2017 figures, on page 7 of the briefing note for 2018 there is travel and subsistence for employees amounting to €519,000 and international travel amounting to €533,000. It was approximately the same the previous year. How many staff members were involved in that €533,000?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: They are employees.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: Without me looking at the accounts, does Bord na gCon own motor vehicles? Do people drive Bord na gCon cars or their own?

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is fine. I need a breakdown of this. I was surprised that in excess of €500,000 in travel expenses was paid to employees. I know some staff work on the courses and there are approximately 125 staff. I am sure a large portion of them are office-based and would not be involved in travel to any significant extent. I know Mr. Tuohey is new and perhaps could not possibly know yet...

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will give Mr. Dollard the breakdown I am looking for. How many staff received less than €5,000? How many staff received between €5,000 and €10,000? How many staff received between €10,000 and €20,000? Mr. Dollard gets the idea.

Public Accounts Committee: Bord na gCon Financial Statement 2017 (19 Sep 2019)

Seán Fleming: If somebody received €1,000 or €2,000 that is fine. It is a small amount of travel. I am trying to find how many staff are in each band. I am concerned there might be some very high figures. I have no idea. I hope the information will tell us. I am not making any comment but €500,000 looks high. I understand there is travel every weekend to the 1,500 race meetings...

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