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Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: For clarity, the Minister accepts now that the level of EU funding under the Common Agricultural Policy coming to Ireland over the next five years accounting for inflation will be a reduction on the previous CAP.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: In terms of the European contribution. We will come to the other point in a minute.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Accounting for inflation. Is that the Minister's position now?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: In real terms.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Going from GLAS to ACRES incorporates inflation. Does the Minister think people will be better off?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Under ACRES.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: I have.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: We go around in circles on this and I do not think there is an understanding or at least there is not an acknowledgement. If I go into a shop with €10 and fill a basket of goods and the following year I go in with €11 but the basket of goods costs €12 in reality I am poorer. This is where we are with Common Agricultural Policy funding. I do not know why-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Yes, in terms of-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: In terms of the payments that farmers are going to receive.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Here is the difficulty. In terms of the payments that most farmers will receive under pillar 1 and pillar 2-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: They will be worth less.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am speaking about across both.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: They will be worth less in real terms.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Here is the real problem and issue. The Minister knows I had fundamental disagreements with the way in which the previous Government and this Government when it took office approached the EU budget negotiations. I was part of some of the conversations. They did not condition Ireland paying an increase of several hundred million euro into the EU budget on us getting a return through the...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: If the Minister does not understand the realities of what inflation means in terms of figures-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am conscious of the time.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: No, absolutely not. I have two specific questions. I dispute what the Minister has said. I am speaking about the real value of the money we pay our farmers at a time we are asking them to do much more.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: It is not. Pillar 2 in real terms is a reduced-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: In terms of both pillars, the next CAP will mean, in real terms, a reduction for farmers in respect of the payments they receive, compared with where they were at the end of-----

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