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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: But the figures that were revised downwards were missed. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: So nearly 40% is done at the moment.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: That is welcome. Mr. Mulligan, what is the uptake of fibre broadband where it has been provided?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: What is the lowest?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is the reason for this that they may already be serviced by reasonably good quality broadband?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is there an issue with the 37% or 38% that are easiest to reach being done but as the scheme moves on the last 10% or 20% will be difficult to do? There is a lot more cable and longer distances.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It was the last place reached by the rural electrification scheme.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The completion date for the overall contract is 2027. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: There is a number of entities involved here. It is kind of unusual in that NBI is overlaying Eir infrastructure in terms of ducting and using its poles. What is the current situation regarding the leasing of those individual poles from Eir? How much is that costing per annum?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: So it still stands at that figure. There are problems with a lot of ducting being blocked, according to replies given to us before. Is the scheme still running into problems in accessing that ducting?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: This is a huge spend of public money - €2.7 billion for the overall scheme. In terms of security for the future investment, can the witnesses explain the Eir infrastructure? Eir is a private entity and eight out of ten members on the board of NBI represent a private entity. From a public spending point of view, are there risks around access to the infrastructure that is owned by Eir...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: I am not asking whether Mr. Mulligan sees it or not; I am asking how it is guaranteed.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: The last 25 years went very quick. In year 26, what happens? Let us say Eir was sold to whoever.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Is the CRU the only thing that stands between us if somebody bought that company, decided to be bolshy about it and told us to take a running jump and that we could not use that after year 26?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: A new owner could make it difficult.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: There are thousands of miles now, or certainly hundreds of miles, of cable overlaid on top of Eir cable and miles of ducting belonging to Eir.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Absolutely. That is why I am raising it.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: How much is being paid to Eir? We have one representative on the nine-person board of NBI who represents the public interest. How much is being paid to Eir for use of that infrastructure?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: It would effectively wind up with about a quarter of the cost or little over that. Some 28% or 29% of the cost of the scheme will go to Eir.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 29 - Environment, Climate and Communications
Financial Statements 2022: Sustainability Energy Authority of Ireland
2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 8: Performance of Certain Residential Retrofit Schemes
(9 Nov 2023)

Brian Stanley: Out of that €2.7 billion, somewhere around €800 million will finish up with Eir.

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