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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Impact of Peat Shortages on the Horticulture Industry: Discussion (Resumed) (9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am conscious we are under time pressures. In July, the Minister of State said, "... there is some engagement there that we should be doing with those exporters asking them to maybe not export and to keep it in this country to secure the horticultural sector here". My question is very specific. How many of those engagements has she had in the five months since then?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Agricultural Schemes: Discussion (9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: I will be very brief.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Agricultural Schemes: Discussion (9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Do not challenge me.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Agricultural Schemes: Discussion (9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: I hope nobody was at the Chair in my absence. I will deal with the broad macro issues because the detail of the schemes has been very comprehensively covered by the farm organisations. According to my calculations, when we take into account inflation the level of funding under Pillar 1 next year, as opposed to 2018, will be 13% less. I am speaking about the overall scheme of things. In...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Agricultural Schemes: Discussion (9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Let us get the answer. I will stroll over to the house in a few minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Agricultural Schemes: Discussion (9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Unfortunately-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Agricultural Schemes: Discussion (9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: I apologise that I have to leave. I will get the transcript of the meeting.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Agricultural Schemes: Discussion (9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Carry on.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: I thank the Minister for being present. I wish to put on record that we received the documents relating to these Estimates a couple of hours before the meeting. I will not labour the point, but it is not a good way of doing business. In fairness to the Department, it does not usually happen.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: That is no problem. I will just go through questions as quickly as possible because I know other members want to come in. Why is the fodder scheme for next year being limited to 2022 recipients?

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: There are quite a number of points I want to speak on so I will be as quick as possible. There was a 13.5% reduction in agri-environmental schemes. Did people leave existing schemes early? Were increased penalties applied? How did this happen? I am fairly surprised that savings of 1% accrued on areas of natural constraint, ANC, given that the payment rate has been static. Why was there...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Okay.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: On the ANC, there were much-needed increases in 2018 and 2019 but it has been static ever since. From the CAP documents it appears the budget of €250 million will remain static for the period. Does the Minister accept that in real terms this means the scheme will reduce in value? He knows it is one of the more popular schemes that supports farmers, particularly those in peripheral...

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Let us speak about this. When the Minister says it is the highest level of funding ever for a CAP scheme-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: So the co-financing element of it.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: I am sure the Minister accepts that in terms of the overall pillar 2 budget when we account for inflation there will be a reduction-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: -----even accounting for the increase in Exchequer funding.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Pillar 1 is static with regard to the basic payment.

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: Yes. So that will account-----

Select Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Estimates for Public Services 2022
Vote 30 - Agriculture, Food and the Marine (Supplementary)
(9 Nov 2022)

Matt Carthy: For next year pillar 1 will see a 13% reduction on where it was in 2019.

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