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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is a long-term response. I am asking what we are doing for the children and the families today. There are good staff in the HSE who are doing fantastic work but are "demoralised, fatigued, saddened, undervalued and voting with their feet", as I have read. The good staff that are left are going to leave. Does that concern Mr. McCallion?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Does it concern everybody here?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Mr. McCallion-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Let me just read a sentence. Flowery language is used in this 20-page document. It is wonderful, but it means absolutely nothing.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: It states: "The HSE works in partnership with organisations." Is the payscale the same? Are the section 39 organisation staff on the same payscale as the HSE staff?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: So the HSE thinks it is going to recruit-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Does Mr. McCallion agree it will be difficult to recruit and retain staff under those circumstances?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Given that 80% of the services are provided in that sector, how does the HSE propose that the sector will be able to stand up to that?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Hold on a second now.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I will come back in because, as I said, I could do the meeting on my own.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: This problem has grown since last year.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I will go back to Ms O'Neill. Of the 6,349 assessments of need, how many were carried out? That is the number they said that were waiting. Is that today's figure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: What percentage of those would Ms O'Neill expect to be deemed requiring services?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Given the revelations that we have been discussing for the past week, or, in my case, not been discussing as I am waiting for information, it would not be entirely fictional for people to come to the conclusion that there was a deliberate strategy to hold up the assessments of need. If we were to do 6,349 assessments, that would add pressure because most likely all of their parents would be...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I really do hope that is the case.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: How often are statements of service provided? Most of those children will probably wait for four years until they are six or seven for the assessment of need. What happens when they get to 13 or 14 and it needs to be done again?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I understand that, but the question for Ms O'Neill is whether there are many who require a second assessment?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Or there is an assessment of need again. How many are in that situation?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Ms O'Neill does not have the figures but they are substantial, are they not?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Health Service Executive - Financial Statements 2021 (Resumed)
(2 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Time is of the essence. What I am really pointing out-----

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