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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am sure it does.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Was Mr. Watt instrumental in preparing the brief for the Attorney General's new report? Who was involved in it?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Did Mr. Watt?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is that brief available?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Not the report. Is the brief that was provided to the Attorney General available?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I asked whether the brief that was provided to the Attorney General for this report – he probably received it in the past fortnight – was going to be made available publicly, to this committee or to elected representatives. I do not have much time. I am being cursory and candid. I am asking a binary question. Is the brief, as provided to the Attorney General, available to...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is the brief that was provided to the Minister the same brief that was provided to the Attorney General in the advice that was then provided in the report?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Does Mr. Watt not understand the question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Okay. The Attorney General's report is 192 paragraphs long, so I find it extraordinary that the issue we are discussing – people who paid for private nursing home care because they could not get public beds – is not addressed in it. This is the real issue. What is addressed is the strategy that was employed to avoid repaying the illegal charges or, as Mr. Watt says, for...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: With which part does Mr. Watt not agree?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Mr. Watt is saying that people went into private nursing homes by choice.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: It was not really addressed. All that was addressed was the fact it was ultra vires. The actions following that were to have seen people be repaid. That was the recommendation.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: We will move on because they were not, which is why we are here. I want to question-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: No. I have five minutes left, Mr. Watt. I am asking the questions.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: Fintan O'Toole published an article. In 2004, a letter was prepared by the then Department of Health and Children - by its board, as it is put in the newspaper - that its Secretary General was supposed to send to the Attorney General asking for advice. The minutes of the meeting record that it was signed and sent by the Secretary General of the time, but it never happened in 2004. Mr. Watt...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: No. There were not issues. There is a minuted record from the Department's management committee, which prepared a letter for the Attorney General asking for a definitive ruling. The draft was sent to the Secretary General for his signature and the committee's minutes record in March of 2004 that the letter had been signed and sent. It was not, and nobody has ever explained it. May I have...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: No, I am not. I am asking why the minuted record from the Department differs from what actually happened and no explanation has ever been given. That is what I am asking.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: I do not know how Mr. Watt could recall as he was not there, but I am sure the matter has come up in all of the briefings that have been prepared. Remember that the media-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is correct.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 38 - Health
Chapter 12 - Financial Impact of Cyber Security Attack
(9 Feb 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is not about the report.

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