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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Well, the target is 1,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Why are we making targets for 1,000 then?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: We probably should have 2,000, but we have set 1,000 with the hope of making it. I ask Ms McPhillips not to get me started. I am asking a very serious question. If we drop below 700, has she an active role? As the Secretary General of the Department of Justice, is Ms McPhillips concerned that we are not recruiting the numbers we should be? We are already below the European average. It...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is not actually true, is it? It is not true according to the parliamentary question I have.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is not. The number of new recruits will not be 700. They will be part-replacements. We will not be adding 700 to the force, will we?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: What Ms McPhillips said is that we are recruiting far more than what will be retiring. That is what she said.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: How many are retiring?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: How many are on sick leave at the moment?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is fine. Okay. Well then, I would ask Ms McPhillips not to stray there.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: I have asked Ms McPhillips a specific question. Is she concerned?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is the Department not listening then to everything that is being said on the fact that pay, pension, hours and transfers are all an issue, but none of them has been adjusted, dealt with, or nothing?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: What is it then?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Through the public service.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Okay. Would Ms McPhillips be recommending that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am trying to ascertain what Ms McPhillips’s role is. Is she as concerned as I am? I cannot fix it but she is in the Department. I am telling her what I am hearing day on day, week on week from senior gardaí. Even people who are involved in the recruitment process who have waited years are then being turned down on things such as BMI. I am sure when people get into the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: I mean immigration.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: They are civil servants; there are no gardaí. However, there are gardaí in Rosslare and there are not enough.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 24 – Justice
(25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: Anytime soon?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: I would like to see IDA Ireland come before the committee as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (25 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: In that case, it probably makes more sense to wait. I take Deputy Catherine Murphy's point about compiling a report based on governance of the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board, which I appreciate is probably something we could do before the recess as opposed to IDA Ireland, which we could invite in for September. At the end of the day, we have five full weeks and there is no point in...

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