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Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: Regarding the banks, they are being sorted out in the sense that the State is taking properties off them. We are talking about reputable AHBs in this context, so surely to God a mechanism should have been set up with the banks to ensure this process was fast-tracked. The State was sorting out a problem for the banks and getting vacant properties used. In that context, surely there should...

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: I will move on to one final issue concerning residential units that were placed on caretaker leases. Quite a number of them were vacant. Why put a property on a caretaker lease? That is always dangerous because doing so means problems can be run into quickly with that kind of structure.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: Quite a number of these properties were vacant then.

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: Returning to the revolving fund, where does Mr. Baneham see that fund being used up?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: Can I ask a final question?

Public Accounts Committee: Financial Statements 2020: Housing Agency
Financial Statements 2021: Approved Housing Bodies Regulatory Authority
Chapter 7: Housing Agency Revolving Acquisition Fund
Section 2 Report – Unauthorised Release of Funds from the Central Fund of the Exchequer
(19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: Where does the Housing Agency see this moving on to from here?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: Is Mr. McCarthy satisfied that the issues that were there are now resolved?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: What other voluntary hospitals come under Mr. McCarthy's remit? Do St. James's Hospital and St. Vincent's Hospital come under it?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: The three main maternity hospitals in Dublin, for instance, are not under Mr. McCarthy's remit.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: The issue is that if a bill of quantity is submitted and the item is not in the bill of quantity on day one when the tender documents were put out there, then it is an additional cost and it is always a nightmare. The problem with this project is that because it is so complex - we are talking about 6,000 rooms and all sorts of different complexities - then we are more likely to have such a...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: Yes, there is.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: There is probably sufficient money there for 2023. The problem will arise when all of the additional claims are put in. That is when the source of the additional money that is required will be clarified. That is where the difficulty will arise. I do not think the problem will arise in 2023 but it could arise in 2024.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: Normally, there would not be a difficulty in the handover because the claims are still not finally settled. There is a process for dealing with claims. Following the initial process, there is a right of appeal and taking it further. I do not think that would in any way affect the handover.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: My understanding is that it would not.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: In fairness, most of the public contracts are done like that.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: There is a mechanism in place for the building to be handed over without any undue delay by the contractor because of the processes that are in existence.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: One other advantage - whether we criticise the cost and everything else – is that we are very lucky that a significant amount of the work was done prior to the real inflation period hitting it last year. If we were only starting the project last year, the price would have gone completely through the roof. That is important as well.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: In fairness, we had Covid in between.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: Yes, and given the amount of steel gone into it, as the price of steel has gone very high. All of that work was done before the increase.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (19 Jan 2023)

Colm Burke: In some areas, they are having difficulties getting GPs to work nights and weekends. In fairness, these are all people who are working from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. or 6 p.m. Then, they would have to face another 12 hours of being on call. That is one of the difficulties we are having in many areas. There is another problem that was raised by the Irish College of General Practitioners, which...

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