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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: The Department decided to increase densities and spend €6 billion of taxpayers' money. Rather than address the issue and lower densities, Mr. Doyle has decided to throw €6 billion of taxpayers' money at building apartments that are not commencing because they are not viable. Will Mr. Doyle tell me where the cost-benefit analysis is from his Department that justifies that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Whatever Mr. Doyle is referring to, those changes are only finished public consultation and they are crap.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is as simple as that. The Department will probably find that is what the public consultation says. What I am asking Mr. Doyle is, where is the cost-benefit analysis that supports the commencement that he says will happen of 6,000 apartments that will cost the taxpayer €6 billion?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Right, it is very simple. I cannot afford to let Mr. Doyle run down the clock.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Will Mr. Doyle show the committee the cost-benefit analysis? Will he submit it?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: On 25 April, a scheme was announced where the Department is to spend three quarters of a billion euro it believes will commence the building of 6,000 apartments where there are grants of planning but they have not commenced. I want to see the cost-benefit analysis. Let me give Mr. Doyle my cost-benefit analysis. If the Department was to do what I have been saying for three years, as well...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: The Department has announced it is spending €6 billion and it has not developed the scheme.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Who came up with the idea?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Cost rental will not be delivered by this scheme. Mr. Doyle is not listening to what I am telling him. Is Mr. Doyle telling me that we have to spend €6 billion of the taxpayers' money to make cost rental work?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is what Mr. Doyle just said, that this is specifically around cost rental.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: By the time the Department commences 6,000 apartments, it will cost €6 billion. The Department is talking about putting €750 million into cost rental. The Department has already said it will see the commencement of 6,000 apartments. That is what it costs. If a person is developing apartments around the towns in the country or in Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway, the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is only for the extra €100,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am talking about building on top of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am saying for €50 million extra we could build three-bedroom houses around the country. Does Mr. Doyle get that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: But you cannot. Sorry, Mr. Doyle, you are wrong. We cannot choose because the planning policy dictates-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: No, you did not mean that. You said you can make a choice.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: You said you can choose.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Okay. Rather than get bogged down, what I and many others have been stating for three years is that the planning policy is the issue. You can go away from the war in Ukraine, interest rates and construction inflation. Nothing has changed, and nothing has changed since Mr. Doyle was here last year, except that the Department most certainly will not meet its targets this year, and if the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: People want front and back gardens. Own-door is not the important issue, if you were to listen to what anybody who is building or who is responsible for building has said. How many grants of planning have we for own-door that have not commenced?

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