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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: If that test is required, it is €160.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: It is not profit as such. The money goes towards other internal purposes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I will move on because Deputy Kehoe has covered the issue. I will not call it "profit" because HSI is a non-profit organisation but, if it does not cost it €160 to provide a passport to an owner, irrespective of how long it takes, there is a margin involved. Why is that not being used to increase staff numbers or to improve the terms and conditions of existing staff when staff...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I got that from Mr. Duggan's answer to Deputy Kehoe and from the opening statement but the opening statement also mentioned that terms and conditions were one of the reasons for people leaving. Far be it from me to tell Mr. Duggan how to do his job but, as public representatives, we are having to answer these questions on the street and, if I were in his shoes, I would ring-fence passport...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I read what was said in the opening statement about the process and the consultations undertaken in the appointment and make-up of the new board. Will the witnesses tell us a little bit more about the numbers to be appointed by affiliates and by the Minister? When is it proposed to have a more democratic board in place? With a view to that, the last time Mr. Dowling was with us he said he...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: What is the size of it at the moment?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Will it be a couple of months before HSI has a process in place to appoint a board or a couple of months before it will have an actual board?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: On the tour of duty to meet the affiliates that Mr. Dowling told us he was on the last time he was here, how is that going and how many has he met? I think he said he had met two or three at that stage.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Is that individually? Earlier, Mr. Dowling said he met with four or five of them collectively regarding the----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: How is that going?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Would Mr. Dowling say that is the case for anybody he has met? What we are getting from all affiliates is that none of them are too enamoured with HSI.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I know there are two sides to every story but much, or all, of the correspondence we are receiving from the affiliates is not very complimentary of HSI. I will be honest about that. It is on the record in a lot of places because it is by email that we are getting a lot of correspondence.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I know Mr. Dowling has said that the process is still ongoing but when it comes to finalising that board, if there are ten or 15 affiliates who think they should have a representative on the board and HSI has to whittle that down to four, how does HSI propose to do that without making a bad situation worse, among the affiliates?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Who will make that selection?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: How was the old board appointed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: How many members were on that board?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I am with Mr. Dowling. I assume that the Minister will have the right to approve the four appointees from industry.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: I do not think he would. I think it is almost commonplace for the Minister to have to rubber-stamp the appointment of the four members from industry. Has that not been discussed?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: Reading HSI's opening statement, I note that it started off very positively. I keep a close eye on the performance of our international competitors, and we are on the crest of a wave at the moment. How does HSI see us going in the US and Australia? We are going into France in a very strong position.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Agriculture, Food and the Marine: Challenges Facing the Horse Sport Industry: Horse Sport Ireland (Resumed) (15 Nov 2023)

Paul Daly: There is a reason I am asking the question. Does Mr. Duggan think that the current situation and the goings-on in the board might have an effect on the teams in the future unless things are sorted out shortly? The ground work for the France games is done, and we are in a good position going into them. I am just using the Olympic teams as an example. We have international competitors in...

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