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Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Recent Developments in the EU on Security and Defence: Discussion (15 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: For the record, we know where our money goes. That is an incorrect statement, Senator Craughwell. I could not let that stand. We have rigorous tracking processes unlike a lot of other areas where there is maybe a little bit of ambiguity as to where money goes. When it comes to ODA, we have very good systems in place. The Senator can disagree. I am not turning this into an ODA discussion.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Recent Developments in the EU on Security and Defence: Discussion (15 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: Deputy Ó Murchú wishes to speak as well.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Recent Developments in the EU on Security and Defence: Discussion (15 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: The witnesses do not have to break the questions down individually. They may provide some general wrap-up comments regarding everything they have heard. Professor Ben Tonra will start.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: Recent Developments in the EU on Security and Defence: Discussion (15 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: Absolutely. I thank Dr. McDonagh. I will draw our meeting to a close by thanking both witnesses today. It has been a really interesting round-robin exchange. I thank the members for their questions. With that, I adjourn this committee until 10 a.m. on Wednesday, 22 May.

Written Answers — Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth: Mother and Baby Homes (9 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: 267. To ask the Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth if the State has access to mother and baby records from a private nursing home (details supplied); if the public can access this information; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [21113/24]

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: I start our special meeting today by welcoming our former Taoiseach Mr. Bertie Ahern. I thank him for joining us. We wanted to have a chance to engage with him this week as tomorrow, 9 May, is Europe Day. That gives us an opportunity to celebrate peace and unity across the EU. It is a very important day for those of us who have a very strong belief in and commitment to the European...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: I ask Mr. Ahern to reply whenever he is ready.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: I wish to draw people’s attention to the fact we have access to the room until approximately 12.30 p.m. We have had substantial and interesting contributions. A number of other people wish to come in and I am conscious of the fact we have about 30 or 35 minutes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: It was not. I promise the Deputy it was not. I just-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: I apologise. I assure the Deputy it was not that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: The Deputy put a wide range of questions to Mr. Ahern.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: I thank Mr. Ahern. To show Deputy Ó Murchú that it was not just him, I am going to reiterate my reminder that it is now 12.10 p.m. Members might stay within the time if they can. Senator Keogan is up next.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: On that point, it is necessary to have two parties willing to engage.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: Unfortunately, what we have clearly and patently seen is a British Government that is manifestly different from the one with which Mr. Ahern dealt. It is very difficult for our State, which still believes implicitly in the values of the Good Friday Agreement and everything it created, to be dealing now with something that is fundamentally different from the situation in the past. That...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: That is shocking.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: I am conscious of other members wishing to speak. As a committee, we have seen the bond Mr. Ahern referred to, whereby Ireland and Britain worked together in so many ways in the European context and strengthened each other by way of our involvement in Europe. The loss of that engagement, arising out of Brexit, has never really been calculated. For Ireland, it is a loss equal to that of...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: I thank Mr. Ahern and call Senator Martin.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on European Union Affairs: 20th Anniversary of the 2004 EU Enlargement: Mr. Bertie Ahern (8 May 2024)

Colm Brophy: I wish to add one thing that I thought was interesting. On a recent visit to Brussels, we talked to the Permanent Representation of Ireland to the European Union. We then effectively met the Northern Ireland Office. It does an inter-staff transfer to facilitate that deepening of ties and understanding. Somebody from the Northern Ireland Office works in the perm rep and somebody from the...

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