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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Is there any appetite for the Department to move ahead in regard to confirmation of payee?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It was the Department of Justice that gave me the figures. As Mr. Palmer said, the figures show a reduction in 2022 but an explosion in 2021, which was related to Covid, with more people at home doing online shopping, who were easier targets for fraud. One thing is very clear. If we look over a longer horizon, this is a losing battle. It is going up and up. We have had people from the...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I am not going to challenge Mr. Palmer's numbers at this stage because we are running out of time, but the €10 million is an underestimation.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: And the Department of Justice.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: There is not only an under-reporting; the figure of €10 million is not the actual figure. The figure is a lot higher than that, as far as I am aware. I do not have the reply to the parliamentary question in front of me but the figure is higher than that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I may come back to that. Let us deal with reporting. From a policy perspective, the committee has asked the banks a series of questions. Bank of Ireland responded stating it reports all incidences of authorised push-payment fraud when it or somebody else is the victim. AIB stated it only reports fraud when it is the victim and it encourages the other victim, the third-party victim, to...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: The Department held it. In this day and age, why are these reports not being sent to the Garda? Why is there a different approach? We do not have many big institutions here, unfortunately. Why is it that one of two main lenders states it reports all cases of fraud to the Garda while the other states it does not, yet the latter runs advertisements asking people to report these crimes? It...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: There are meetings with the banks during which issues come up. This is not directing the banks but simply saying to them, "For God's sake folks, report the fraud". They have the information, they know a fraud is being committed and they should pass it on to the Garda. They should not only do it when they are losing money. There are countless thousands of other people losing money and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I am only raising it so that somebody will perhaps stick in a note, or perhaps somebody from AIB or Permanent TSB is watching. It was interesting that AIB also went into great detail about the social media platforms. In Britain, compensation must be paid by some of the social media platforms. AIB confirmed to us that it runs anti-fraud campaigns on social media websites. It also stated...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: The regulation is a couple of years down the road.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I take Mr. Palmer's point. The Government does not have an economic crime strategy, despite the Hamilton report recommending one over two and a half years ago. The Department of Justice would be the lead policy Department in relation to this. I am sure there is a lot of passing the buck in the room next door, from RTÉ, but the public wants this. We should take off the handcuffs and...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Does the Department of Finance have any input or is it led by the Department of Justice? Is there a role for the witnesses?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Authorised Push Payments Fraud: Discussion (Resumed) (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: I appreciate that.

Written Answers — Department of Transport, Tourism and Sport: Driver Test (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: 46. To ask the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport if a driving test will be expedited for a person (details supplied) in County Donegal for employment purposes; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [31639/23]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Pharmacy Services (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: 159. To ask the Minister for Health if he has or will conduct a review of pharmacy dispensing fees and the extent of service provision by community pharmacists; if he has or will engage with an organisation (details supplied) on the matter; the dates on which he has or will engage with same; if he will establish a review which encompasses the scope of services provided or which could be...

Written Answers — Department of Health: Health Services (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: 171. To ask the Minister for Health the reason why seriously ill young infants have to travel abroad for ECHMO treatment; if there are plans to make this treatment available in Ireland for all children; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [31610/23]

Written Answers — Department of Health: Hospital Appointments Status (28 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: 173. To ask the Minister for Health when a person (details supplied) will receive a date for a hospital admission to rehab, Letterkenny University Hospital; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [31622/23]

An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (27 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: Households continue to struggle under one of the most pressing cost-of-living crises in a generation. In this rip-off republic, Irish living standards have fallen further behind other European countries, with people ripped off by extortionate energy bills, high housing costs and food prices. Our economy is not working for ordinary people. We have a hotel in Dublin city that is charging...

An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (27 Jun 2023)

Pearse Doherty: It is not surprising this is the issue everybody is raising today, because it is the issue the public is talking about. People are shocked by this. I ask this question in the context of the terms of reference and the sequencing of work in this House, particularly the committees that will meet. Is the Government aware of any information about the 2017 to 2019 payments? I ask the Taoiseach...

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