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Written Answers — Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth: Departmental Reports (3 May 2023)

Verona Murphy: 361. To ask the Minister for Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth the number of external consultant reports commissioned by the bodies under his Department's aegis in each of the years 2020, 2021, 2022 and to date in 2023; the cost of same; the company involved; the title and publication date, by report, in tabular form; and if he will make a statement on the matter. [20550/23]

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: Ms Buckley is a breath of fresh air. Unlike most other Secretary Generals or chief executives in that position she has not come in here having only taking up the position in January and said "oh I cannot answer that because I have only taken up the position". She has been very forthright and I thank her for that. I have some questions on which I would like to elaborate. Ms Buckley said...

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am not sure that they did allow for any material contravention. We have many laws that say they did not. That is primary to where I am looking and much of the litigation. The question I am now asking is, how are we going to prevent this type of litigation, where inspectors, where the report is upheld, are not au faitwith the hierarchy.

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: I have a concern when Ms Buckley says that An Bord Pleanála is going to engage with the OPR. Prior to the finalisation of Wexford's new county development plan, I engaged with the OPR. In that case, he told me that in legislation there was a minimum density requirement of 35 dwellings per hectare. There is not, is there? This is something Ms Buckley would want to consider because if...

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: In that case, if that exists, I want Ms Buckley to tell me where, please.

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: To whom was that, Mr. Hogan?

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: It did not point us to where it was in that, if I recall correctly. Mr. Hogan was not able to tell me what paragraph, in which SPPR. It did not identify where the minimum requirement-----

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: I thank Mr. Hogan. I have heard all that before. In what has just been read out by Mr. Hogan, there is no mention of minimum density. I ask Ms Buckley to submit to the committee something on that. It is a particular issue that we now see is contentious around the whole country with the development of county development plans. Not only that, it is the subject of many of our judicial...

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: Would Ms Buckley agree that planning policy is the reason we have such poor delivery of housing?

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: Ms Buckley can agree, because the evidence is there, that many of the reviews that were traditionally successful were successful because of the densities being applied. Is that not correct?

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: I was hoping we were not going to get to that.

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: I will put it this way: I will expect a different answer this time next year.

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am very concerned about the 27,000 housing units. Ms Buckley said An Bord Pleanála had decided 6,000 in recent weeks. What is very concerning about that is that these were SHDs, is that not so? Clearly, we know that the new county development plans are in train. Many people involved in the sector know that. Developers were advised by members of An Bord Pleanála how they...

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: As well as maybe some representative from the council.

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: Realistically, everything that was applied for was the information they were given. Everybody knows when the changeover from one county development plan to the new county development plan happens. Why were the decisions that we now find falling between two stools not prioritised in the middle of the housing crisis? By no means is it Ms Buckley's fault. When was it known? Is she worried...

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: Is Ms Buckley concerned that because of those engagements, such as what I term tripartite meetings, with all of those concerned, there would have been a legitimate expectation of a grant of planning permission? The jeopardy here strictly is caused by delays and problems of the board. Paying the fine is one thing; it does not in any way absolve An Bord Pleanála of being wrong. Is Ms...

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: Ultimately, of the 6,000 dealt with, have they all been refused?

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: This is my last question, Chair. I will come back in.

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: What does Ms Buckley expect from the remaining 21,000?

Public Accounts Committee: An Bord Pleanála - Financial Statements 2021 (27 Apr 2023)

Verona Murphy: I thank Ms Buckley for that. I want to clarify the point I was making earlier because I ran out of time. When I spoke about a legitimate expectation, I meant a legitimate expectation that they would have a decision granted within the life of the county development plan that was in being at the time of application. That is where I believe there is going to be a jeopardy arising. Would Ms...

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