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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: When the total drawdown is sanctioned for the hospital, which is likely to be €1.4 billion, will the HSE commit to notifying the committee at that stage of what the drawdown is? There have been delays on this project. The claims run into thousands at this stage. There have been legal challenges. Suffice it to say, the relationship between the board and the contractor has not been...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Sorry, I want to hear from Mr. Watt first.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: On the site and the location of it, have they presented particular challenges in logistics and costs? Are there lessons to be learned there?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: At the time this project was signed off, Mr. Watt was the Secretary General in the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: At that time, had Mr. Watt concerns about the site and nature of the contract? I ask because there have been criticism and scrutiny, insofar as we can examine, of the type of contract that was used in this case. On the contract, the design and the hospital location, it is my view that those three issues have caused problems, delays and costs. In hindsight, does Mr. Watt agree that those...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: We all want to see it open and it is fair to say that its optics are fantastic. I have described it before as “an architect’s wow project”. Yet, that does not always match functionality and practicalities.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: It could be easier to maintain, though.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: We all agree that they have to be put onto one site. The window cleaners will be busy.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Okay. We hope to see it opening in the middle of 2025. I want to briefly ask about the capital priorities. Can we get feedback specifically on the primary care centre for Portlaoise? Our population has exceeded Kilkenny city at this point, and we do not have a primary care centre. I know some work is being done. Is it on the priority list? Are the pounds, shillings and pence there to...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Can I say this, though? This is 28 miles, that is, 45 km or 46 km from Portlaoise. People were being told at one stage to go to Athlone for eye and ear appointments. That is more than 100 km away.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: There is a feeling that Covid is being used to pull a lot of services. I am not arguing for services at every crossroads. Yet, I am saying that there is a substantial wing of the new health area. At this point, even, within the most south-eastern part of CHO 8-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I am asking Mr. Gloster to look at Graiguecullen. A range of services was provided there, including mental health services. They were valued and operating. I ask him to look at that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I can tell Mr. Gloster that the little centre there does need some work. It is shabby. It needs to be upgraded.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: It does need a bit of work to be done. It possibly even needs an extension.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Well, you made a big promise. You did not make a promise about Abbeyleix to me. You went down there.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I believe there was an audience there and they all heard it. You kept your commitment to go to Abbeyleix, and all I would ask you to do-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I want to accept that. I know you cannot pull rabbits out of the hat, but you understand-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Does Deputy Dillon want to come back in with a brief question?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I am going to ask the two Accounting Officers to respond briefly on that. It is an issue that is causing problems for every one of us and it has gone on. None of us would disagree with the Deputy there. We will hear from Mr. Watt first and then Mr. Gloster.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 38 - Health
Report on the Accounts of the Public Services 2022
Chapter 18 - Health Service Executive Funding and Financial Reporting
(1 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: The negotiations are at a sensitive stage. Let us not derail them here.

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