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Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: I thought we were dealing with the Bill.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: In the context of Senator Craughwell's contribution, to be fair to the Minister of State we have had extensive engagement with the Department, the Minister of State and the Department officials. As Senator Craughwell knows full well, those of us, including the Acting Chair, who are on the transport committee have dealt with this Bill extensively to the point where we have re-engaged again...

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: On a point of order, and I do not want to have a row-----

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: The Acting Chair is probably right. I accept that. Surely for any Bill-----

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: -----when we are lobbied, it is about informing us of a position, regardless of whether we are yea or nay. I met IBEC this morning for a briefing. Are we saying IBEC cannot lobby us before the budget? I met the INTO yesterday. Is this also the case for Fórsa or SIPTU? I do not know.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: We asked for a meeting with the IAA. Is that what the Senator is referring to?

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: We asked for it in the Chamber.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: I did not understand the point. Now I do.

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: No, and I will not be the last. Without our committee talking to the workers and representatives, perhaps the Mulvey development would not have happened. That is the power of engagement. I spoke to Mr. Jim Gavin by Microsoft Teams or Zoom and there was a visit to the Seanad. We had our engagement with IALPA, which I believe is important. I would like to hear the Minister of State's...

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: What is an aviation expert?

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: What is an aviation expert? The Minister of State has said that she has access to-----

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: I know, but sure if Senator Craughwell wanted to take being-----

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: If Senator Craughwell wanted to take his logic back to before the crash in 2007, where were all the experts in the Department of Finance so?

Seanad: Air Navigation and Transport Bill 2020: Committee Stage (Resumed) (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: I would like to hear the Minister of State's views on putting compellability on a statutory footing. The IALPA position on meetings has validity. The Joint Committee on Health has quarterly meetings with the Minister and HSE. These are to be built into its work programme. Therefore, one knows there is a meeting every quarter. Why is there reluctance to commit to the meetings in the case...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: I hope we do have a debate on the last point Senator Horkan made, namely, road safety. There is a rising trend in road fatalities in the country. Notwithstanding the fact that cars were off the road for Covid and travel was curtailed, there is a trend of increasing road fatalities and accidents. I support Senator Horkan's call for a debate on the issue. I concur with Senator Horkan and...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: I appreciate that.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: I accept that, but it is extravagant in itself to link climate change to the murders. There is a need for a debate. I agree with what Senator Mullen says about how we can frame a debate in terms of agreeing or disagreeing. I appreciate that our hands are tied and I will not put you on the spot, a Chathaoirligh.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: I am not making any slur.

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: But I do think we should have a debate on the bigger picture and about the persecution of Christians. We should condemn the killings of all people of faith, regardless of their denomination, across the world. I rise predominantly to ask the Deputy Leader about an issue that I raised two weeks ago. The leaving certificate, leaving certificate applied and junior certificate classes of 2022...

Seanad: An tOrd Gnó - Order of Business (16 Jun 2022)

Jerry Buttimer: People are also allowed to drive a car if they have applied for and are awaiting the test.

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