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Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Caranua should be able to give an estimate of the cost. Will it be giving priority to first-time applicants or is it irrelevant that somebody has had a previous claim?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Need is the priority.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are satisfied that the Department says that money will be coming very shortly. Caranua will soon be in a very clear position and will be able to estimate what will be needed to deal with the cases on hand and what will be available. I encourage it to get on with making its own estimate in order to avoid leaving people high and dry. It is in the interests of Caranua for this to wind up...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: From a practical point of view, the 2018 audited financial statement will be laid before the Oireachtas well before Christmas. That will only update the situation to the end of last year but we will ask, when that statement is laid before the Oireachtas, for an update. It will not be an audited update but an updated briefing note from Caranua before Christmas when the accounts have been...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is, the total spend up until the board changed the policy about putting in a cap. Please show us how much had been committed by the time Caranua introduced the cap. Depending on when the vote comes up, Deputy O'Connell may have some time now.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: One or two members have indicated that they would like to come back in a second time. We will suspend the sitting until 2.30 p.m. I hope the meeting will not continue for too long after that.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: To clarify, we will ask Caranua to revert with the figure for the total costs since it started. I refer to the costs for staffing, the office, administration and everything else. The Deputy is not just asking for the staff costs but the overall cost of running the organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The total cost of running the organisation.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: On what page of the 2017 financial statement is that?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: What page is it on? If we can put it up on the screen, it would be a help.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: That is €2 million for 2017.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Can we have that chart for each of the years?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes, great.

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: To wrap up that particular point, from what I hear, there is risk that Caranua may have paid €2,000 or €,3000. Caranua is not invoiced for the work because it deals with the survivor and not with the contractor employed by the survivor. Caranua cannot get an invoice made out to it under any circumstances. It does not come to Caranua but it goes through the survivor. The...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have total empathy and I would not agree with the Deputy-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We are near the end of road at this stage. We understand the need to protect the anonymity of the survivors who were allowed to commission the work themselves. I am not saying anything went wrong but we cannot be sure of that. There is a question mark there. From Caranua's contacts, it knew of the genuine cases. All these people had been through the other redress schemes to start with....

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Does Caranua have any clerk of works rather than administrative staff who have a concept of what to install such as a stove?

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not saying the quantity surveyor or clerk of works would be there to inspect premises. These exact claims come into local authorities for disabled persons grants for work on a house such as a stairlift, work on windows, gutters or doors, an extension, or downstairs toilets. They engage somebody who knows the cost of installing a walk-in shower, for example. Let us make up a figure of...

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Such a person would have been able to say that a stairlift costs €7,000, not €12,000. They could say-----

Public Accounts Committee: Caranua Financial Statements 2017 (17 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It would be a check of how reasonable it is, not an exact check.

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