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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Compact settlements? Mr. Doyle will have heard me request lower densities for three years, but what did he do? Who drew up those guidelines?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Who is "we"?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: The Department decided to increase densities and spend €6 billion of taxpayers' money. Rather than address the issue and lower densities, Mr. Doyle has decided to throw €6 billion of taxpayers' money at building apartments that are not commencing because they are not viable. Will Mr. Doyle tell me where the cost-benefit analysis is from his Department that justifies that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Whatever Mr. Doyle is referring to, those changes are only finished public consultation and they are crap.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: It is as simple as that. The Department will probably find that is what the public consultation says. What I am asking Mr. Doyle is, where is the cost-benefit analysis that supports the commencement that he says will happen of 6,000 apartments that will cost the taxpayer €6 billion?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Right, it is very simple. I cannot afford to let Mr. Doyle run down the clock.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Will Mr. Doyle show the committee the cost-benefit analysis? Will he submit it?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: On 25 April, a scheme was announced where the Department is to spend three quarters of a billion euro it believes will commence the building of 6,000 apartments where there are grants of planning but they have not commenced. I want to see the cost-benefit analysis. Let me give Mr. Doyle my cost-benefit analysis. If the Department was to do what I have been saying for three years, as well...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: The Department has announced it is spending €6 billion and it has not developed the scheme.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Who came up with the idea?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: Cost rental will not be delivered by this scheme. Mr. Doyle is not listening to what I am telling him. Is Mr. Doyle telling me that we have to spend €6 billion of the taxpayers' money to make cost rental work?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is what Mr. Doyle just said, that this is specifically around cost rental.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: By the time the Department commences 6,000 apartments, it will cost €6 billion. The Department is talking about putting €750 million into cost rental. The Department has already said it will see the commencement of 6,000 apartments. That is what it costs. If a person is developing apartments around the towns in the country or in Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway, the...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: That is only for the extra €100,000.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am talking about building on top of that.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: I am saying for €50 million extra we could build three-bedroom houses around the country. Does Mr. Doyle get that?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: But you cannot. Sorry, Mr. Doyle, you are wrong. We cannot choose because the planning policy dictates-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: No, you did not mean that. You said you can make a choice.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2021
Vote 34 - Housing, Local Government and Heritage
Local Government Fund Account 2021
2021 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General
Chapter 6: Central Government Funding of Local Authorities
(1 Jun 2023)

Verona Murphy: You said you can choose.

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