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Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: What was happening to all the workers during those periods of time? Were they furloughed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: I mean in respect of periods where the contractors were not doing any work.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: There was no mechanism there. I will come in again later.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: In respect of the Covid issue, it would be very useful if the SEAI could provide the committee with a full breakdown of the delays that were attributed to Covid and the various reasons for same. On electric vehicles, the SEAI told us last year it believed there was a demand for at least 50,000 EVs. How many were actually sold?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: That is not the question I asked. I asked how many EVs were sold last year.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: Okay, so if that is 50% then approximately 20,000 EVs were sold in total last year.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: Either figure is a fair stretch from the 50,000 that the SEAI estimated there was a demand for last year. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: What will it be this year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: The target for 2025 was 175,000 EVs. Is that achievable?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: Last year the figure the SEAI gave us for EVs on the road was 55,000. This year there are 77,000 so that would fit in with the 20,000 figure. We are talking about a target date of 2025 but we are one quarter of the way through 2023 at this stage. It would require a sea change which we were told over the past two years was coming next year. Do we have any evidence to suggest it is actually...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: What number of EVs do we expect to be sold this year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: That is still less than the 50,000 that we expected last year.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: The numbers are accumulating every year. Are we assuming that all of the 77,000 cars that are on the road now will still be on the road in 2025, that none of them will be written off or taken off the road for whatever reason? What percentage of those 77,000, some of which are several years old, does the SEAI expect to still be on the road in 2025?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: That is the average life.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: That would say some will last up to 15 years, but others might last for only five years.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: In any given year, regardless of the model - electric or internal combustion engine - whatever number of cars are sold, a certain percentage of them will still not be on the road five years later for a myriad of different reasons. Has Mr. Meally factored in how many of those will be taken off the road and impact on the target figure of 175,000?

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: Is there not also a question in terms of the long-term viability of electric cars? We do not yet know precisely what the real life terms will be, in particular for batteries.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: I will ask just one final question. The 2030 target was originally 1 million. Many people were sceptical about it. The Minister, Deputy Eamon Ryan, said he thought it would be a lesser number in the updated plan but it had not been finalised. In the end, the big change that was made was that the word "almost" was inserted prior to 1 million. Was the SEAI consulted in respect of what the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: The numbers are nowhere close to where the Department thought it would be.

Public Accounts Committee: 2021 Financial Statements of the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland: Discussion (9 Mar 2023)

Matt Carthy: How many of them were hybrid?

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