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Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Those charts are accurate.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is a myth out there, and I come from a rural constituency and was born and reared on a farm, that we all believe we are a great agricultural exporting country. In fact, we are a much greater agricultural importing country than an exporting one. That is never mentioned. People are probably going to jump on me for highlighting this and talking down agriculture, which is not what I am...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Do you understand my-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Yes. It is a great report.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: There is €4 billion difference: €13 billion versus €9 billion.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I have never heard that second part.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Where is timber on the chart? Is that under "other"? I see dairy, animal foodstuffs and beverages on the import page.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Mr. Gleeson mentioned timber.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is "under" which includes wood based products-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: The Department will send us a breakdown of these figures.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I know that.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not suggesting that. My concern, which is unconnected to the Brexit issue which, is that when I look at the charts the Department has given us, at the start of 2009, ten years ago, we were importing roughly 6 million tonnes but were exporting eight million tonnes. Ireland was exporting more foodstuffs than it was importing ten years ago. This is the myth we have all lived on. In the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: No, I am only talking about product. We can then talk about value added, and I have put those figures on the record as well. The only value-added product I am concerned about is the prepared consumer food which is food and added-value, where the exports were €2.6 billion but the imports were €3.6 billion in that sector. In the other sectors, the value of our exports are...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: In the European Union.

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am making a general point. The trend in the last decade has surprised me and possibly most people, where it is heading in a particular direction. Is it possible to say how much of the €13.7 billion of exports from Ireland went to the primary producer? That is a very legitimate question for 2018. Out of the €13.7 billion of cheques written to Ireland for the food products...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I will compliment Mr. Gleeson on those figures, which are there for anyone who chooses to look at them, but which is probably not everybody. The figures are presented clearly, which is great. I compliment Mr. Gleeson on this is a fantastic annual report of well over 100 pages. Has Mr. Gleeson a view on what was paid to the primary producers out of the €13.7 billion? It might...

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: Has anyone got that approximate figure?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: We can deal with that as well but-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: I am not confining this to one sector. Dairy is our biggest export, followed by beverages. I am looking at this across the board. I am seeking data on the value of the output. Do we have an idea of what that was?

Public Accounts Committee: 2018 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 30 - Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine
Chapter 10 - Forestry Grants
(24 Oct 2019)

Seán Fleming: It is kind of surprising that when I ask representatives from the Department of Agriculture, Food and the Marine to tell me the value of the food produced for export, they cannot tell me. They can give me a figure for what we got for those exports but I would love to know the value of the food product output. The Department has that figure because it knows what was paid to the farmers. If...

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