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Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Do I take it that there is a group of civil servants in the Department looking at it?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Is there a civil servant looking at it?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Is the process due to conclude soon?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: There is a large number involved. I have a question on restorative justice. Ms McPhillips knew I was going to ask her this. Ms McCaffrey has outlined the position. My memory of it is that back in the late 1980s there were approximately 2,500 prisoners. We had a smaller population. There were a lot of people in prison connected with the conflict in the North and conflict-related...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Could we maximise it? When we read the court notices in the local newspapers the reference is always to a fine or custodial sentence being given. With restorative justice the victim gets recompense, there is a higher level of correction and rehabilitation for the perpetrator in terms of moving away from-----

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Figures available internationally show that. Ms McCaffrey has confirmed that the average annual cost per prisoner across the estate, so not high-security prisoners, is €88,000. That is a large bill.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: The first person we have to think of is the victim. The second is the perpetrator because obviously we want to try to bring about change. I agree that there are often underlying issues. There may be undiagnosed mental health issues when the perpetrator is young or he or she may not have received appropriate treatment for ADHD. We could write the book and we see it in communities. I know...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I cannot figure out why the State is not doing this. It is a win-win scenario. There are actually three sets of wins involved.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Ms McPhillips used the term "mainstream". When will this be mainstreamed?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I ask Ms McPhillips to do send an up-to-date summary report on the matter to the committee?

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: There is no need to set it out chapter and verse. Just a brief summary will do.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is one of the things we should be doing. It would lead to there being fewer guests of the State to look after and we might not need to provide another 680 prison places. We have to try to reduce the prison population. That brings us to the end of our deliberations for today. I thank the witnesses from the Irish Prison Service, the Department of Justice and the Department of Public...

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: We disputed one or two figures and there was a slight difference as regards dates and so on but the briefing papers were very concise and informative.

Public Accounts Committee: Appropriation Accounts 2022
Vote 24 - Justice
Vote 21 - Prisons
(15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: I also thank the Comptroller and Auditor General and his staff for attending and assisting the committee today. Is it agreed that the clerk to the committee will seek any follow-up information and carry out any agreed actions arising from the meeting? Agreed. Is it also agreed to note and publish the opening statements and briefings provided? Agreed. We will suspend the meeting and...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: The public business before us this afternoon is as follows: minutes, accounts and financial statements, correspondence, work programme and any other business. The first item of business is the minutes of our meeting of 8 February 2024, which have been circulated to members. Do members wish to raise any matters in relation to the minutes? Are the minutes agreed? Agreed. As usual, the...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Do members wish to raise any matters regarding the accounts and financial statements? Is the list of accounts and financial statements agreed? Agreed. As usual, they will be published as part of our minutes. I will move on to correspondence. As previously agreed, items that are not flagged for discussion for this meeting will be dealt with in accordance with the proposed actions that...

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: We can do that. The ones I have read out have all been confirmed.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: That is my understanding about all of those. I discussed it with the clerk to the committee yesterday. Deputy Ó Cathasaigh wants to come in.

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: The Office of Public Works was on my list but there has not been a fixture set with it yet. We can add it. Are there any specific issues?

Public Accounts Committee: Business of Committee (15 Feb 2024)

Brian Stanley: Okay. We will add the OPW if that is agreeable to the committee. The Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board, IHRB, was on the list and we have been trying to arrange a date with it. Those two organisations need to be put into the frame, the Irish Horseracing Regulatory Board and the Office of Public Works. If everybody is happy with that, that concludes our consideration of the work...

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