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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: What does the Secretary General mean by "acceptance"? Does that refer to the decisions that are accepted by the applicant?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: The rate is 3%.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: While it sounds as though he does not, does the Secretary General have to hand the information regarding what happens to the other 97%? Are they all appealed?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: Out of the total number of asylum applications that come in, only 3% initially are deemed to be successful.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: I ask the Secretary General to get this information for the committee.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: On the matter of the cost of looking after and supporting people who are seeking asylum status here in Ireland, it is completely correct that the State supports them while they are here and seeking for the process to be completed. A recent report found the Department of Justice and Equality spent €655 million on asylum seekers' accommodation from 2000 to 2010. Obviously, this is a...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: Have discussions taken place with bodies such as NAMA, for example, to ascertain whether lands or facilities for which they have responsibility could be used in any way for this purpose?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: On the point regarding service delivery, is the Secretary General aware of the report from the European Commission of Human Rights stating that such accommodation was having negative effects on the mental health, family ties and integration prospects of those people who were in the centres? Has the Department been obliged to respond in this regard?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: Is Mr. Purcell in a position to tell me the target time for the completion of the entire process? By "process", I specifically mean the handling of the initial application and of the review of the leave-to-remain decision.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: I appreciate that. I have dealt with individuals who are seeking asylum and also the officials, who all do a great job. As Mr. Purcell pointed out, it is a very difficult and complicated issue. I am aware of the amount of public commentary on how long some people are waiting and am struck by the fact that if I look at the different budget allocations in regard to immigration and asylum...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: Does Mr. Purcell not believe that people applying for asylum should know roughly how long the process will take? The taxpayer who is funding the process has a right to know how long it will take. As I stated, the funding for the INIS is €57 million.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: I believe in the point of view of people in the system and those who are funding the system overall. They have a reasonable expectation that there would be objectives in place regarding how long the process will take, notwithstanding the complexities to which Mr. Purcell has alluded and of which I am aware. Let me move on to the operation of the process overall. As Mr. Purcell rightly...

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: Could I interrupt Mr. Purcell in regard to those two figures? He stated approximately 7,000 decisions were made last year. Is that correct?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: Some 25,000. Does Mr. Purcell have the figures for the previous year?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

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Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: Let me make sure I have the figures correct. In 2010, there were 6,394 and in 2011 there were 10,774, and in 2012 there were approximately 25,000.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: Does Mr. Purcell have the average processing time for applications over the period in question?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: Does Mr. Purcell know the time involved?

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: I will revert to the figure made earlier on the smaller number of asylum seekers. It is reasonable that asylum seekers and those funding the process would know how long the entire process takes.

Public Accounts Committee: 2011 Annual Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 13 - Office of the Chief State Solicitor
Vote 19 - Justice and Equality
Chapter 15: Lease of Accommodation for a Probation Service Project
(21 Mar 2013)

Paschal Donohoe: I will reserve my comments on chapter 15 until we reach the appropriate point in the meeting. I welcome the witnesses and thank them for the material supplied and their work in the Department and the Chief State Solicitor's office. The three areas of the Vote on which I want to focus my questioning are the cost of the citizenship and asylum seeking application process, free legal aid and...

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