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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: I thank the Tánaiste for being here. As I indicated to the Chair, I will have to leave for a Dáil debate at some point, so I apologise for that. I thank the Tánaiste also for his opening remarks. As he indicated, there are a number of areas on which we would like to have a detailed discussion, but it is clear today and this week that the priority for the coming period will...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: May I add one more question, a Chathaoirligh, please?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: It will.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: Will the Irish Government today call for an immediate cessation of hostilities by all actors, including the Israeli Government; the release of hostages, absolutely; and an immediate ceasefire by Israeli forces and Hamas forces?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: Actually, the Tánaiste has not answered the questions I asked. I do not know why. Maybe he can explain. I asked him to call out and condemn specific breaches of international law by Israel. I do not know why we are afraid to do it. If I had asked the same question about Hamas or Russia, he would have had no hesitation in taking the opportunity. He says there is no equivalence but...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: Yes.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: I do not-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: You have asked me a question; let me answer it.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: Here is the difficulty: the words-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: The Tánaiste has asked me a question.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: Here is the fundamental problem: the words “Israel has the right to defend itself” have been contaminated because they have been associated with the carpet bombing of civilian areas, the forced displacement of 1 million people and the denial to ordinary civilians of water, electricity and food.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: Here is the difficulty: if carpet bombing of civilian areas led to the defeat of Hamas, Hamas would be defeated already because Israel has done it on countless occasions since its blockade began in 2007.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: What I think needs to happen is that there needs to be a ceasefire and a cessation of activities. Ireland needs to call for that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: We need to be upfront in saying that our own experience of conflict resolution-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: -----shows that the only way we are going to solve this, and ensure that UN resolutions are upheld, is if there is recognition of the two-state solution. Israel is the party that is preventing the realisation of that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: That is actually making a party political point.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: That is a nasty way of approaching this because------

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: -----what we are talking about is the recognition-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Foreign Affairs and Trade, and Defence: Foreign Affairs Council and Departmental Matters: Tánaiste and Minister for Foreign Affairs and for Defence (17 Oct 2023)

Matt Carthy: I am not accusing you of anything. I have commended the Government’s language in respect of international law, but I have asked the Tánaiste why the Government will not specify the breaches of international law by Israel and condemn it for those.

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