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Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: Every business is motivated to make a profit but some are better at doing so than others.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: I am very happy with that.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: Has the Minister any idea about how the system will work in terms of the Revenue Commissioners writing to the operator? Will there be a delay in issuing prizes?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: I move amendment No. 30: In page 23, between lines 11 and 12, to insert the following:"(7) The sale, supply, distribution and purchase of a National Lottery ticket through the use of interactive television channels is prohibited until such time as the operator puts a mechanism in place that limits the amount a person can spend, obliges persons to provide proof of age and limits the amount and...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: We depend on strong sales of lottery tickets to generate funds for good causes. The more that are sold, the more money we have for good causes. I worry. If the operator who gets the licence does not have the same impetus to sell tickets due to a need to tighten marketing budgets or some other rationalisation, the fall off in money for good causes could be a problem. The State relies on...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: The amendment is to be welcomed. As we are talking about the sale of national lottery tickets, can the Minister talk about all the staff who are currently working with the national lottery and their agents? What transfer arrangements will there be to any new operator regarding those who are involved in the sale of lottery tickets?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: Will it be covered in the licence?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: We are also discussing amendment No. 30 in my name.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: As I said on Second Stage, I am concerned about the issue Deputy Heather Humphreys mentioned, of people having online lottery accounts and playing the lottery at home. I have met the chief executive and other senior people at the national lottery headquarters. They provided a demonstration and at that time they had 7,000 accounts for people who were registered as customers. I was...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: There are online casinos on Sky TV in my living-room every night. If a younger person got hold of the parental control pin number, they could be gambling away to their heart's content. That is why I am including the television issue separately in my amendment which deals with television channels. The door is bolted on the Internet issue. That is happening and people are doing it as we...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: When is Report Stage?

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: I thank the Minister.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: Amendment No. 24 not moved.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: I move amendment No. 27: In page 22, line 28, after “persons” to insert “, such remuneration shall be approved by the Minister”.A licence may provide for authorisation by the operator of persons to sell national lottery tickets and the remuneration of such persons. I wish to include "such remuneration shall be approved by the Minister". If the Minister is issuing...

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: Therefore, the amendment is unnecessary. In an earlier amendment directly related to this topic, No. 16, it is stipulated that the regular may not amend a licence regarding provisions governing the rate of commission payable to retailers included in the licence. That the regulator has not had the authority and that the Minister is doing it in the first instance sounds a bit-----

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: The commission rate.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: I am happy with that.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: Correct. It is An Post. We understand that. Most semi-State companies are exempt.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: And not for payment of household tax.

Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform: Select Sub-Committee on Public Expenditure and Reform: National Lottery Bill 2012: Committee Stage (27 Mar 2013)

Seán Fleming: It would not be in the public interest.

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