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Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: I find that extraordinary. A facility is in perfectly good condition, albeit listed, and Mr. McCarthy is telling me the Department would not have been able to make it available.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: If Deputy Kelly is next-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: I will just be five minutes. I thank Deputy Kelly. I want to go back to value for money with Mr. McCarthy. Somebody asked for a figure earlier and the witness said it had been provided it confidentially. I have not seen it but I am aware that the contracts that started with emergency accommodation were, to my knowledge, €95 per applicant and four to a room. That is now halved....

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: They are my figures. The position now is that it is €45 per applicant and four to a room. There is a reason I ask. These are the figures that were given to me from the people who are owed money and say they have not been paid.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: Whatever it is we will put it down to the fact that it is all of those things. It is not self-catering and it is probably provided for. I would equate it to what service would be provided in a nursing home, for instance. It would be similar, except without the medical care. The reality is that our nursing homes are €900 per room and this contract is working out at €2,660 per...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: How then has the Department established the figure to halve it? How has it gone from €95 to €45 within a one year period where accommodation is at a premium?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: Has the Department reduced the money that it is paying? Do not tell me the figure. Has the Department reduced it significantly?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: I would have thought that is twice.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: The planning is also significant.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: How and when did that happen?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: Is it Ryevale House, as previously mentioned?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: The Department was fully aware of the issue and undertook from the contractor that it would be rectified. That is not how it works. If I build a house and subsequently apply for planning permission, there are rules and planning regulations in place for a reason. The reason I say that everything about this whole process has caused division with the communities is that it is one rule for the...

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: Chair, this is really important.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: Other members may give me a bit of latitude to finalise my questions because the issue is pertinent to how we move forward with accommodation. Does the Department intend to enter further contracts where there are questions with planning?

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: I ask Mr. McCarthy to say a simple sentence - that the Department intends to comply with the law.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: Chair-----

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: It is on a point of clarity.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: I said Renvyle House, which is in Connemara. The planning issue pertains to Ryevale in Leixlip.

Public Accounts Committee: 2022 Report of the Comptroller and Auditor General and Appropriation Accounts
Vote 40 - Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth
(18 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: No, Mr. McCarthy can come back to Deputy Munster when she comes in.

Ceisteanna ar Pholasaí nó ar Reachtaíocht - Questions on Policy or Legislation (17 Apr 2024)

Verona Murphy: I wish the Taoiseach the best of luck in his job. Wexford has a deficit in roads funding of €66 million. I raised this as a Topical Issue on the floor a month ago. It was taken by a junior Minister, who promised there would be engagement with the line Minister, but I have heard nothing. We have a deplorable set of circumstances. The roads are in an awful state. Many roads in the...

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