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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Gas Safety (Amendment) Bill 2023: Discussion (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: It does, okay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Climate Action: General Scheme of the Gas Safety (Amendment) Bill 2023: Discussion (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: I thank the witnesses.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: In view of the fact that the Minister is attending, I am sure they would not-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: I welcome the Minister and thank her for being with us for so long. I will pay tribute to Siún Ní Raghallaigh. I have had the benefit of meeting her here on numerous occasions. I found her to be beyond reproach, as someone who took on a difficult job and put an immense effort into trying to resolve this issue. One can only imagine the challenges she faced, the kind of detail...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: It was inadvertent, yes.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: It was unintentional. There was no board approval for the exit packages of two individuals. That was really the core issue. That is your big issue - that there was no board approval for these, although there was a promise that it would happen in the future.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: That happened on Monday and it happened on Wednesday. Then you got clarification. I do not mean to be facetious, but that sounds a bit like a child and a teacher or a parent having a conversation where the child says, "I do not have my homework done", and the question is, "Do you have your homework done?". The answer is, "No, I do not have my homework done", and then, a little later, it is...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: I get both that and point on the accuracy of the information, but the probity of the work that was done was there. There was a miscommunication, and we accept that, but the probity and governance are what is really important. Fair enough, she got a bit of information wrong. The Minister referred to numerous occasions, but it was numerous occasions relating to the same issue. It was...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: I know, but, in religious parlance, it is a venial sin in comparison with the actual governance issues. Obviously, that is my view; the Minister has explained her view. The Minister stated that she got the calls going out in the car. I am a bit confused about that. When more than one person knows information, it will get out. Why did the Minister think she had a duty to leak the...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: On the one hand, Minister, you said earlier that you flagged to the former chair that if you were asked, you would address the issue on "Prime Time". You flagged that at 4 p.m. or 4.30 p.m. Then you went out to RTÉ and flagged it yourself in order that you were going to be asked the question. Maybe RTÉ had the information, but you seem to suggest that you flagged it to them. Do...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: Why did you not say to her, "I am going to leak this information to 'Prime Time', they will ask me about it and this is what I will say"?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: To somebody else.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: You talked at the beginning of the meeting about setting the record straight and about transparency and openness. You were only going to offer transparency and openness if somebody else heard about it.

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: You indicated that-----

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: You would always answer honestly, but you actually gave the question to RTÉ to ask you, to say there is something coming. They do not seem to have known about it. Why did you not issue a press release, rather than giving it in the back door to RTÉ when you got out there?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: Okay. We will move to the last point. Do you have confidence in the members of the board who sat through the Toy Show The Musical debacle?

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: You have confidence in a group of people who, on the basis of their own admission and their apology before us here, admitted they did not really do their job to the best of their ability, ask appropriate questions or tease it through. It was a bit like they thought, expected and assumed but did not ask the questions and were not told. Some of these people were appointed at the discretion of...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: I accept that and the Minister is very clear on that. The Minister's position with regard to other executives stands true in that but not with respect to members of the board because the committees recommend and the Government appoints, but it is on the advice of the Minister, in the same way that the chair is appointed by the Government on the advice of the Minister. If there are failures...

Joint Committee on Tourism, Culture, Arts, Sport And Media: Oversight of RTÉ's Expenditure of Public Funds and Governance Issues and Plans for Longer-term Support and Funding for Public Service Media: Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media (27 Feb 2024)

Timmy Dooley: Does the Minister have confidence in their actions as they sat on the board because it was within their tenure, albeit some of it was perhaps outside the tenure of the Minister? They are now the responsibility of the Minister so my final question is to ask the Minister whether she has confidence in the members of the board who were there at the time and upon whose watch this happened.

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