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Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: I inform the Minister and Deputy Lahart that Deputies have received the terms of reference. I thank whoever responded to that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: I advise Ms Luddy that she is sitting in the dark. There is a window behind her and all we can see of her is a shadow.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: This is the Deputy’s last question as her time is up.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: I thank the Deputy for that. The next speaker is Deputy Bríd Smith.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: I asked the question at the start of the meeting to get some clarity on that.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: I need to move on. Next is Senator Clifford-Lee.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: I will bring Deputy Bríd Smith in on a point of order in a moment. Go on, Senator Kyne.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: Go ahead and make the point of order.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: It is a point of information you are giving us, Deputy, rather than a point of order, but anyway-----

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: Let the Minister reply, please.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: Will the Department clarify that?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: I will bring in Senator Conway in a minute and we have plenty of time left. Will he allow the Minister to reply?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: If Senator Kyne is finished, we can proceed to Senator Martin Conway. I apologise for the delay.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: It is helpful that we have a date. People at home are wondering about the timeframe for this legislation. Before we move on, I see Ms Luddy is back in the shadows.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: I can see the Dublin skyline and cranes in the background but we cannot see Ms Luddy. It might be helpful if she could move away from the window. Senator Hoey has another question or two.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: I welcome the statement that the Minister made this morning that we do not need to wait until the end of the review to act on issues that impact on women regarding access and services. A number of speakers have pointed out the gaps and difficulties in service provision. It has been pointed out to us that meetings with the HSE and hospitals were happening or began to happen but then there...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: Deputy Durkan needs to finish up. Other members are trying to get in.

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: One of our members is making the point that the Minister said earlier it was legal advice and now it is official advice. Does the Minister want to clarify the situation?

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: I will bring proceedings to an end. It has been a difficult morning for the Minister and his official alongside him. There are many lessons we can learn from today's meeting. It would have been helpful if we had had some of the information. It is basic information that was going out go out to the public. If we had had access to it prior to the meeting, I think the Minister will agree it...

Joint Oireachtas Committee on Health: Review of Scope and Structure of Health (Regulation of Termination of Pregnancy) Act: Engagement with Minister for Health (8 Dec 2021)

Seán Crowe: I will end on that positive note. That concludes our business for today. I thank the witnesses for their helpful contributions.

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