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Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: There are four programmes. There are two PESCO programmes, one about the critical seabed and the subsea which relates to how we co-operate with and learn from others and protect our undersea infrastructure, including sea cables which sustain thousands of jobs in this country. What planet are you on? What bloody planet are you on?

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: There is no vote today on the triple lock. It is mentioned in the report. That will come with legislation. There is a vote on whether we participate in subsea cable projects under PESCO. There is a vote on whether we participate in cyber exercises under PESCO. We should. We saw what happened with the attack on the HSE. The only way we will be resilient in terms of cyber security in...

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: Since Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine, the number of cyber attacks has grown exponentially. That is a reality.

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: There are cyber attacks left, right and centre. We have to build up resilience. These are modest proposals before us. The PESCO proposals are very modest. Yesterday, at the committee there was the Chair and two members. There was no evidence yesterday that people were exercised about this.

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: Deputy Cronin suggested that I made a light case for the PESCO projects. I did not. I was quite comprehensive and substantive. The Deputy's spokesperson could not make it yesterday; he asked for a debate at the committee but was not in a position to attend, which can happen. The bottom line is that I attended the committee yesterday for an hour and 45 minutes. There was no real argument...

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: To be fair, I do not think Deputy Murphy believes we should have an army at all.

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: Deputy Barry said he wants to cut defence expenditure. He wants to cut the amount of money we are giving to the Army and Defence Forces, which is fair enough. That is his position. He said it. He said we should cut military expenditure. That is Deputy Barry's position. I believe that Deputy Murphy's position is that he believes we should not have an army at all. That is my view.

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: Whatever that means. You have your view. There is somewhat of a false presentation regarding the triple lock. Deputies accuse me of misinformation. We are not guilty of any misinformation. The UN General Assembly cannot approve a peacekeeping operation in practice. Deputies know that. Such operations are only ever deployed on the basis of mandates from the United Nations Security...

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: In certain instances where a matter has been considered by the Security Council and has been the subject of a veto, the General Assembly may consider the matter and make a recommendation to UN members for collective action. We did that recently regarding the issue of Palestine. Ultimately, while other organs of the UN make recommendations to member states under the UN charter, the Council...

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: -----will approve or not approve peacekeeping missions. It has not approved any since 2014. That is the bottom line. I mentioned Russia. I do not believe Irish foreign policy or our decision to participate in peacekeeping missions should be vetoed by a country like Russia. I will name Russia. Deputy Howlin asked me what our policy is anchored in. It is anchored in multilateralism....

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: I am not talking about you. I am talking about Deputy Murphy, who clearly did not want it to happen.

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: The Deputy was of the view that it should not happen. You try to entrap people who participated and it continues. Deputy Carthy said publicly at one stage that he would support PESCO projects.

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: He said if he was ever elected to Government, he would not reverse participation-----

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: He spoke publicly. It was interpreted at the time as meaning that he would not reverse-----

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: Which proposal?

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: I just do not know which proposal the Deputy is referring to.

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: About the energy management course. Do you know what you are talking about?

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: What are you talking about?

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: I am trying to keep my sanity here.

Defence Forces: Motions (3 Jul 2024)

Micheál Martin: The French did - Killala and Kinsale.

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