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Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: I agree we have to but I am concerned-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: It seems to me that a quick way of dealing with it would be to use the Bill that is already there and has gone through significant pre-legislative scrutiny and to look at the amendments that were agreed to at the time. I would assume that then, if needed, it would be far quicker to amend that rather than start the process again with a new Bill. Surely that would take much more time.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: A section 110 review was announced in the budget. This is an issue I have been interested in for some time. I tabled a parliamentary question on the matter but it did not seem as though much or any progress had been made. What is the status of that?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: Okay. I might return to that because it is something I am interested in. Earlier during Leaders' Questions, the Taoiseach stated the cost-of-living package would be funded in its totality from three sources, namely, the underspend on the temporary business energy support scheme, TBESS, unallocated expenditure and a windfall tax on energy providers. What is the total sum available from...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: On that, if the Government is considering changing the criteria, I urge the Minister to look at liquefied petroleum gas, LPG, and oil. Especially in the west, many businesses are having significant issues with that. Moreover, in the case of electricity suppliers that have left the market, butchers and businesspeople are having difficulty accessing their paper bills and, as a result, are...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: I have a specific case, so I might raise it with the Minister after the meeting rather than mention it here.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: Surely, at this point, the Minister knows how much the Government is considering allocating in cost-of-living supports, and I am wondering what it is. He came before this committee in advance of the budget. I have been astonished every year, although it might be my naivety, that Ministers come before the committee, which is here to scrutinise matters, and are told what the budget package...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: Deputy McGrath is the Minister for Finance and Deputy Donohoe is the Minister for Public Expenditure, National Development Plan Delivery and Reform. They know the ballpark estimates of how much money they are looking at. I appreciate the Minister did not hear the Taoiseach speaking earlier in the Dáil, but if the Taoiseach knows, the two Ministers definitely know about the underspend...

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: That was a very good way of answering the question without giving any figures.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: It is correct that the Ministers are meeting tomorrow to discuss a cost-of-living package. Am I right?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: Without being sure of the numbers.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: That is the €1.1 billion to €1.2 billion, am I right?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: That is the €1.1 billion to €1.2 billion. Is that correct?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: That is €1.1 billion to €1.2 billion and the Minister cannot tell us at this stage how much is going to Ukraine and how much it is going to cost.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: The Taoiseach was flying another flag-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: -----or was it a red herring when he told us-----

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: They are potential sources. What other sources are potential or possible outside of those three?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: The Minister obviously has a view.

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: Will the underspend in TBESS be ring-fenced for businesses?

Select Committee on Finance, Public Expenditure and Reform, and Taoiseach: Estimates for Public Services 2023
Vote 7 - Office of the Minister for Finance (Revised)
Vote 8 - Office of the Comptroller and Auditor General (Revised)
Vote 9 - Office of the Revenue Commissioners (Revised)
Vote 10 - Tax Appeals Commission (Revised)
(15 Feb 2023)

Mairéad Farrell: The Minister said-----

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